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Good morning guys.
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On this day in history ..
0028 - Gaius Carrinas' triumphant procession through Rome
1442 - King Alfonso V of Arag¢n occupies Naples
1523 - Frisian rebel leader Jancko Douwama arrested
1534 - Turkish adm Chaireddin "Barbarossa" allows Giulia Gonzaga to kidnap & plunder Naples
1552 - Land guardians of Netherlands attacks Verdun
1553 - King Edward VI accept archbishop Cranmers "42 Articles"
1575 - William of Orange marries Charlotte de Bourbon
1653 - -13] Battle at North Foreland: English fleet beats Dutch
1665 - English rename New Amsterdam, NY, after Dutch pull out
1667 - -13] Michiel de Ruyter destroys English fleet
1672 - French army under Gen Turenne crosses Rhine at Lobith
1673 - Charles II's brother duke James of York resigns as Lord High Admiral
1683 - Rye House-plot against English king Charles II uncovered
1691 - Pope Innocent XII succeeds Alexander VIII
1701 - Act of Settlement gives English crown to Sophia, Princess of Hanover
1714 - Prussia & Russia sign secret treaty
1775 - 1st naval battle of Revolution-Unity (US) captures Margaretta (Br)
1776 - Virginia adopts Declaration of Rights
1787 - Law passes providing a senator must be at least 30 years old
1792 - George Vancouver discovers site of Vancouver BC
1812 - Napoleon invades Russia
1819 - Dutch colonial troops driven out of Palembang Sumatra
1838 - Hopkins Observatory, dedicated in Williamstown, Mass
1838 - Iowa Territory forms
1839 - 1st baseball game played in America
1840 - Meteorite hits Uden, Netherlands
1845 - George Abernethy becomes 1st governor of Oregon Country
1849 - Gas mask patented by Lewis Haslett (Louisville Ky)
1859 - Comstock Silver Lode in Nevada discovered
1861 - Missouri Governor Claiborne Jackson calls for 50,000 volunteers to stop Federates from taking over his state
1864 - Lee sends Early into Shenandoah Valley
1864 - Skirmish at Mcafee's Cross Road Georgia, about 57 dies in battle
1867 - Austro-Hungarian Empire forms
1875 - 9th Belmont: Bobby Swim aboard Calvin wins in 2:42¬
1880 - 1st baseball perfect game-John Richmond of Worcester beats Cleve
1880 - John Lee Richmond pitches 1st major league perfect game, Worcester 1, Cleveland's Forest City 0
1885 - Roof collapse kills 30 at murder trial in France
1889 - Single tornado kills 119, injures 146 (New Richmond Wisc)
1892 - Neth Society for Currency & Coin collecting forms
1897 - Possibly most severe quake in history strikes Assam India, shock waves felt over an area size of Europe (negligible death toll)
1898 - Philippine nationalists declares independence from Spain to US control
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1900 - German Navy Law calls for massive increase in sea power
1903 - Niagara Falls, Ontario incorporated as a city
1907 - Yanks commit 11 errors & lose 14-6 to Tigers
1908 - Lusitania crosses Atlantic in record 4 days 15 hours (NYC)
1909 - "Shine On, Harvest Moon" by Ada Jones & Billy Murray hits #1
1910 - PEC soccer team forms in Zwolle
1913 - "Dachshund" by Pathe Freres, early animated cartoon, released
1915 - 29th US Womens Tennis: Molla B Mallory beats Hazel Wightman (46 62 60)
1916 - 30th US Womens Tennis: Molla B Mallory beats Louise Raymond (60 61)
1916 - Tennis legend Bill Tilden's 1st appearance at US tennis championship
1917 - Secret Service extends protection of president to his family
1918 - 1st airplane bombing raid by an American unit, France
1919 - Dutch 2nd Chamber accord for equal Christian-public education
1920 - 52nd Belmont: Clarence Kummer aboard Man o' War wins in 2:14.2
1920 - Farmer Labor Party organized (Chicago)
1922 - German Reich president Friedrich Ebert visits Munich
1922 - St Louis Brown Hub Pruett strikes out Babe Ruth 3 straight times
1922 - St Louis gets record 10 hits in a row & beats Phillies 14-8
1923 - Harry Houdini frees himself from a straight jacket while suspended upside down, 40 feet (12 m) above ground in NYC
1925 - William DeHart Hubbard of US, sets long jump record at 25' 10 3/4"
1926 - 58th Belmont: Albert Johnson aboard Crusader wins in 2:32.2
1926 - Brazil leaves League of Nations
1928 - NY Yankee Lou Gehrig hits 2 triples & 2 HRs to be White Sox 15-7
1930 - 34th US Golf Open: Bobby Jones shoots a 287 at Interlachen CC Minn
1930 - Heavyweight Max Schmeling KOs Jack Sharkey in NYC
1930 - Max Schmeling beats Jack Sharkey on a foul in 4 for hw boxing title
1931 - Al Capone is indicted on 5,000 counts of prohibition & perjury
1933 - Financial & Economy World conference opens (66 countries)
1934 - Black-McKeller Bill passes causes Bill Boeing empire to break up into Boeing United Aircraft [Technologies] & United Air Lines
1935 - Weapons pact ends 3 year war of Gran Chaco (Bolivia vs Paraguay)
1935 - Senator Huey Long of Louisiana spoke continually for 15« hours in Senate's longest speech on record (150,000 words)
1936 - 1st 50 KW US radio station (Pittsburgh Pa)
1937 - 41st US Golf Open: Ralph Guldahl shoots a 281 at Oakland Hills Mich
1937 - USSR executes 8 army leaders as Stalin's purge continues
1939 - 43rd US Golf Open: Byron Nelson shoots a 284 at Phila CC in Phila
1939 - Baseball Hall of Fame opens in Cooperstown NY
1942 - Anne Frank gets her diary as a birthday present (Amsterdam)
1942 - Hitler orders enslavement of Slavic peoples
1942 - Tornado kills 35 in Oklahoma City
1943 - Himmler orders extermination of all Polish ghettos
1944 - 1st V-1 rocket assault on London
1944 - British 12th airborne batallion/13th & 18th Hussars conquer
1944 - British 12th battalion conquers Br‚ville
1944 - Churchill/Marshall/Arnold visit Montgomery's HQ in Chƒteau de Creully
1944 - US troop march into Carentan/Caumont, Normandy
1945 - US 7th Marine regiment conquer summit of Kunishi Ridge, Okinawa
1947 - Babe Didrikson is 1st American to win Brit Women's Amateur Golf Champ
1948 - "Hold It!" closes at National Theater NYC after 46 performances
1948 - "Sleepy Hallow" closes at St James Theater NYC after 12 performances
1948 - "William Tell Overture" by Spike Jones peaks at #6
1948 - 48th US Golf Open: Ben Hogan shoots a 276 at Riviera CC in LA
1948 - 80th Belmont: Eddie Arcaro aboard Citation wins in 2:28.2
1948 - Bradman scores 138 in 1st Test Cricket at Trent Bridge
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1950 - 2 Air France DC-4s crash near Bahrain, about 100 die
1950 - Connie Mack named Honorary Manager of the All-Star Game
1952 - USSR declares peace treaty with Japan invalid
1954 - "Girl in Pink Tights" closes at Mark Hellinger NYC after 115 perfs
1954 - 86th Belmont: Eric Guerin aboard High Gun wins in 2:30.8
1954 - Bill Haley's "Rock Around the Clock," is originally released
1954 - Milwaukee Braves Jim Wilson no-hits Phillies, 2-0
1955 - "Mr Peepers" (TV Comedy) starring Wally Cox airs for last time on NBC
1955 - Monitor (full weekend program) begins on NBC radio network
1957 - Paul Anderson of US back-lifts a record 2850 kg (6,270 lbs)
1957 - Stan Musial plays in 823rd game (new NL consecutive-game streak)
1958 - "Make Me Laugh," TV Game Show; last airs on ABC-TV, syndicated 1979
1959 - SF Giants Mike McCormick no-hits Phillies, 3-0 in 5 inning game
1960 - KORN (now KDLT) TV channel 5 in Mitchell-Sioux Falls, SD (ABC) begins
1960 - Louise Suggs wins LPGA Triangle Round Robin Golf Tournament
1961 - An ailing Bill Veeck sells his interest in White Sox to Arthur Allyn
1961 - Dutch Lockheed Electricity "Sirius" accident at Cairo, kills 20
1962 - 3 convicts used spoons to dig their way out of Alcatraz
1962 - Laos prince Souvanna Phouma forms coalition govt
1962 - USAF Maj Robert M White takes X-15 to 56,270 m
1963 - "Cleopatra" premieres in NYC
1964 - Nelson Mandela is sentenced to life in prison in South Africa
1965 - "Bajour" closes at Shubert Theater NYC after 232 performances
1965 - "I Had a BaIl" closes at Martin Beck Theater NYC after 199 perfs
1965 - "What Makes Sammy Run?" closes at 84th St Theater NYC after 540 perfs
1965 - Beatles are awarded MBE
1965 - Morio Shigematsu runs world record marathon (2:12:00)
1965 - Rolling Stones release "Satisfaction"
1965 - Sonny & Cher make their 1st TV appearance, "American Bandstand"
1965 - South Vietnam Gen Nguyen Cao Ky succeeds Phan Huy Quat as premier
1965 - Big Bang theory of creation of universe is supported by announcement of discovery of new celestial bodies know as blue galaxies
1966 - Dave Clark 5 set record as they appear for 12th time on Ed Sullivan
1966 - Mickey Wright wins LPGA Bluegrass Ladies Golf Invitational
1967 - Israel wins 6 day war
1967 - Race riot in Cincinnati Ohio (300 arrested)
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1967 - Supreme Court unanimously ends laws against interracial marriages
1967 - USSR launches Venera 4 for parachute landing on Venus
1967 - Wash Senators beat Chic White Sox, 6-5, in 22 innings
1968 - "What Makes Sammy Run?" closes at 84th St Theater NYC after 540 perfs
1970 - Pitts Pirate Doc Ellis no-hits San Diego Padres, 2-0
1971 - Tricia Nixon & Edward F Cox marry at White House
1972 - John Lennon's political "Sometime in NYC" released including "Woman is the Nigger of the World" "Attica State" & "Luck of the Irish"
1973 - Close finish at Trent Bridge, NZ Cricket need 479 to win, all out 440
1973 - Yanks trade wife swapper Mike Kekich for Lowell Palmer
1975 - Billy Williams's 400th career HR
1975 - Hank Aaron's 1st HR in Milwaukee since 1965
1976 - "Yes, Yes, Yes" by Bill Cosby hits #46
1977 - "Pippin" closes at Imperial Theater NYC after 1944 performances
1977 - 23rd LPGA Championship won by Chako Higuchi
1977 - Ground-breaking ceremonies for Pres Kennedy library
1978 - David Berkowitz sentenced in NY Supreme Court to 25 yrs to life
1978 - US House of Representatives allows live radio coverage
1979 - Kevin St Onge throws a playing card a record 185'
1979 - Opening ceremony at Cambridge Buddhist Assn meditation in Boston
1979 - Sanista occupies parts of Managua
1979 - Tigers fire manager Les Moss, hiring Sparky Anderson
1979 - Bryan Allen flew man-powered Gossamer Albatross over English Channel in a human-powered aircraft; flight took 2 hrs, 49 min
1980 - Reagan said he would submit to periodic medical tests
1981 - "Raiders Of The Lost Ark" starring Harrison Ford premieres
1981 - 3rd baseball strike starts
1981 - Baseball players begin a 50 day strike, their 3rd strike
1981 - Larry Holmes TKOs Leon Spinks in 3 for WBC heavyweight boxing title
1981 - Only candidate Hassan Gouled Aptidon wins Djibouti pres election
1982 - 750,000 anti-nuclear demonstrators, rally in Central Park NYC
1982 - Battle of Mount Longdon Falkland Islands
1982 - Paul Simon & Art Garfunkel perform in Rotterdam
1983 - 29th LPGA Championship won by Patty Sheehan
1983 - Comet C/1983 (Sugano-Saigusa-Fujikawa) approaches 0.0628 AUs of Earth
1983 - Winston Davis takes 7-51 in Cricket World Cup match v Australia
1986 - P W Botha declares South African national emergency
1987 - Central Afr Rep ex-emperor Jean-B‚del Bokassa sentenced to death
1988 - 6th Seniors Players Golf Championship: Billy Casper
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1988 - Andy Hampton is 1st American to win Round of Italy
1988 - Mei-Chi Cheng wins LPGA Rochester Golf International
1989 - "Doctor Doctor," TV Comedy starring Matt Frewer, debuts on CBS-TV
1989 - Ben Johnson, Canadian Olympian, admits using steroids
1990 - Egypt (500-1 longshot) ties favorite Neth 1-1 in World Cup game
1990 - NY Yankee reliever Dave Righetti becomes 9th to record 200 saves
1990 - Oakland A's Rickey Henderson becomes 2nd to steal 900 bases
1990 - Orioles Cal Ripken plays in his 1,308th consecutive game to move past Everett Scott into 2nd place on the all-time list
1990 - NY Mets beat Chicago Cubs 19-8 at Wrigley Field, Cubs outfielder Doug Dazcenzo pitched a scoreless 9th inning
1991 - 45th NBA Championship: Chicago Bulls beat LA Lakers, 4 games to 1
1991 - Boris Yelstin elected president of Russian Federation
1991 - Mount Pinatubo volcano on Philippines erupts
1992 - "Batman Returns" is released in USA
1993 - "Three Little Pigs" by Green Jelly hits #17
1994 - -17] Pope John Paul II visits Spain
1994 - 48th Tony Awards: Angels in America: Perestroika & Passion win
1994 - Cab Calloway suffered massive stroke at his home in White Plaines NY
1994 - Liselotte Neumann wins Minnesota LPGA Golf Classic
1996 - 3 Phila Fed Court judges overturn US indecency ban on internet
1996 - Marge Schott gives up day-to-day operations because of her numerous insensitive comments about Adolf Hitler, working women & Asians
1997 - 1st ever baseball inter-league game SF Giants beat Texas Rangers 4-3
1997 - MTV Movie Awards
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Famous birthdays for this day ..
1468 - Juan del Encina, composer
1519 - Cosmos de Medici, art patron (Accademia del Disegno)
1526 - Marc-Antoine de Muret, composer
1599 - Jan W van Brederode, governor (Hertogenbosch)/fieldmarshal
1771 - Patrick Gass, Falling Springs PA, sgt of Lewis & Clark Expedition
1795 - John Marston Jr, Comm (Union Navy), died in 1885
1798 - Samuel Cooper, Sect of War/General (Confederate Army), died in 1876
1819 - Charles Kingsley, [Parson Lot], Engl vicar/historian (Westward Ho!)
1821 - Henry Moses Judah, Brig General (Union volunteers), died in 1866
1825 - John Cook, Bvt Major General (Union volunteers), died in 1910
1829 - Johanna Spyri, Switzerland, writer (Heidi)
1840 - Jakub Arbes, Czech author (Modern¡ Up¡ri)
1842 - Rikard Nordraak, composer
1851 - Oliver Joseph Lodge, England, early radio pioneer
1857 - Achille Simonetti, composer
1874 - Willem Louis Frederic Landre, composer
1876 - Narciso Garay, composer
1877 - Thomas C Hart, US admiral (Asiatic fleet)
1878 - James O Curwood, US, journalist/writer (Kazan the wolfdog)
1881 - Juan de Hernandez, composer
1885 - Werner Erich Josten, Elberfeld Germany, composer (Jungle)
1890 - Egon Schiele, Austrian painter/graphic artist
1892 - John Donald Robb, composer
1893 - Kommer Kleijn, Dutch actor/radio play director (Paul Vlaanderen)
1897 - Alexandre Tansman, Lodz Poland, composer (Dyptique)
1897 - Anthony Eden, Earl of Avon (C), British PM (1955-57)
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1900 - Amadeo Roldan, composer
1900 - Betsy van Es, Flemish actress (Sonna)
1902 - Hendrik J Elias, Flemish historian/(mayor-Ghent)
1904 - Eino Roiha, composer
1907 - Giorgio Nataletti, composer
1908 - Max Tailleur, adjudant to Prince Bernhard/Jewish humorist
1908 - Otto Skorzeny, German/Austrian SS Fhrer (Mussolini/Horthy)
1908 - Ronald Selby Wright, minister
1909 - Archie Bleyer, Corona NY, orch leader (Arthur Godfrey)
1909 - Mansel Treharne Thomas, composer
1911 - Milovan Djilas, Yugoslavia, writer/politician (New Class)
1912 - Eddie Williams, blues/Jazz Bassist
1912 - Mary Lavin MacDonald Scott, author
1912 - Russell "Lucky" Hayden, Chico Calif, actor (Judge Roy Bean)
1914 - Maurice Ohana, British?/French? pianist/composer (La C‚lestine)
1914 - Peter Lancelot Williams, dance journalist
1914 - William Lundigan, Syracuse NY, actor (Climax)
1915 - David Rockefeller, CEO (Chase Manhattan Bank)
1916 - Irwin Allen, NYC, director (Land of the Giants, Poseidon Adventure)
1916 - Ivan Tors, TV producer (Sea Hunt, Flipper)
1917 - Priscilla Lane, US, actress (Arsenic & Old Lace)
1919 - Uta Hagen, Germany, actress (Boys From Brazil)/teaches acting
1919 - Vera Hruba Ralston, Czech, actress (Dakota, Accused of Murder)
1920 - Peter Jones, England, actor (From a Bird's Eye View)
1921 - H C Artmann, writer
1921 - Hendrik J Witteveen, economist/minister of finance/director (IMF)
1921 - James Houston, Toronto, author/filmmaker (Tikta'Liktak)
1922 - Leif Thybo, composer
1923 - Marta Pan, Hungarian/French sculptor (Great spiral)
1924 - George Herbert Walker Bush, MA, 43 VP (1981-89) 41st Pres (R, 1989-93)
1927 - Henry Slesar, Brooklyn NY, headwriter (Edge of Night)
1928 - Michael Wishart, artist
1928 - Richard Sherman, composer/lyricist (Mary Poppins)
1928 - Vic Damone, [Vito Farinola], Bkln, singer (Street Where You Live)
1929 - Anne Frank, Holland, Nazi victim/diarist (Diary of Anne Frank)
1929 - Brigid Brophy, novelist/campaigner
1930 - Barbara Harris, 1st US Episcopal female bishop
1930 - Hans Koetsier, Dutch sculptor (KLM-Schiphol)
1930 - Jim Burke, cricketer (Australian opener of 50s)
1932 - Jim Nabors, Sylacauga Al, actor/singer (Gomer Pyle)
1932 - Mamo Wolde, Ethiopia, marathoner (Olympic-gold-1968)
1932 - Rona Jaffe, novelist (Mazes & Monsters)
1935 - Christoph Meckel, writer
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1935 - Ian Craig, cricketer (prodigious Australian bat of 50's)
1936 - Bill Zeliff, (Rep-R-NH)
1939 - Francis X McCloskey, (Rep-D-Indiana, 1983- )
1939 - GAI Schuijt, Dutch jurist (information law)
1939 - Geoff Griffin, cricketer (S Afr quick, hat-trick & chuck v Eng 1960)
1941 - Chick Corea, Chelsea Mass, jazz pianist (Delhpi I, Toy Dance)
1941 - Lucille Roybal-Allard, (Rep-D-California)
1941 - Roy Harper, Manchester, rocker (Folkjokeopus)
1942 - Len Barry, rocker (1-2-3-Dovells)
1943 - Marv Albert, NYC, "Yes!" sportscaster (NBC-TV)/back biter
1943 - Reg[inald] Presley, [Ball], rock vocalist (Troggs-Wild Thing)
1944 - Howard Cowart, rocker
1944 - Linda Foster, Lancaster England, actress (Doris-Hank)
1944 - Maurice Jackson, US singer (Independents-Leaving You)
1945 - Alfred Antony Francis Gell, social anthropologist
1945 - James Naughton, US, actor (Trauma Center) [7/6/46]-
1945 - Terry Anderson, Sydney NSW Aust, US rapid fire pistol (Olympic-80, 96)
1947 - Ronald J Freeman II, Elizabeth NJ, 4x400m runner (Olympic-gold-1968)
1948 - Barry Bailey, Doraville Ga, rocker (Atlanta Rhythm Section)
1948 - Norbert Phillip, cricketer (WI pace bowler late 70s)
1949 - Yuri Michaylovich Baturin, Russian cosmonaut (SK:Soyuz TM-28)
1951 - Alan Dysert, Danville Ill, actor (Sean Cudahy-All My Children)
1951 - Ben E Carlos, [Brad Carlson], rock drummer (Cheap Trick-Dream Police)
1951 - Brad Delp, guitarist (Boston-More Than a Feeling)
1951 - Dean Unruh, Riverton Wyoming, WLAF offensive line coach (Rhein Fire)
1952 - ?, Bonham TX, Dusty gives birth to her record 420th kitten
1952 - Dale Krantz, singer (Crossings-Collis Band)
1952 - Oliver Knussen, Glasgow Scotland, composer (Chicara)
1952 - Seigfried Brietzke, German DR, coxless rower (Oly-gold-1972, 76, 80)
1953 - Bun E Carlos, rocker
1953 - Grace Jones, Kingston Jamacia (she claims but actually 5/19/48)
1953 - Rebecca Holden, Austin Tx, actress (April-Knight Rider)
1953 - Rocky Burnette, Memphis, rock vocalist (Towing the Line)
1954 - Tineke Schouten, Dutch TV host
1956 - Terry Alderman, cricketer (prolific Australian medium-pacer 1981-91)
1957 - Javed Miandad, cricketer (Pakistan batsman Got a kick out of Lillee)
1957 - Jim Morris, impressionist/comedian (Ronald Reagan, George Bush)
1957 - Timothy Busfield, East Lansing Mich, actor (Elliot-30 Something)
1958 - Fernando "Frank" Caldeiro, Buenos Aires Arg, astronaut
1959 - Jalal-ud-din, cricketer (Pakistani paceman, ODI hat-trick v Aust 1982)
1959 - Jenilee Harrison, Glendale Calif, actress (Cindy-3's Company, Dallas)
1959 - Kenneth D Herdigein, Suriname/Dutch actor (Say A)
1959 - Scott Thompson, comedian (Kids in the Hall, Larry Sanders Show)
1959 - Steve Bauer, St Catharines Ontario, cyclist (Olympics-silver-84, 96)
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1960 - Mark John Calcavecchia, Laurel NE, PGA golfer (1987 Honda Classic)
1961 - Rod Latham, cricketer (NZ opening batsman)
1962 - Ally Sheedy, [Alexandria], NYC, actress (Wargames, Breakfast Club)
1962 - Michael Link, Provo Utah, actor (Earl-Julia)
1963 - Philippa June Baker, Wanganui NZ, double scull rower (Olympics-96)
1964 - Paula Marshall, Rockville MD, actress (Lindsay Sutton-Chicago Sons)
1964 - Peter Such, cricketer (England off-spinner 1993-)
1965 - Cathy Tyson, Liverpool England, actress (Serpant & Rainbow)
1965 - Cindy Lee Berryhill, US singer/songwriter (Baby)
1965 - Gwen Torrence, Lithonia GA, 100m/200m/400m (Olympics-2 gold-92, 96)
1967 - Neil Maxwell, cricketer (all-rounder for Fiji 1990, Victoria & NSW)
1968 - Patty Armstrong, Torrance Calif, diver (Olympics-96)
1968 - Scott Aldred, Flint MI, pitcher (Minn Twins)
1968 - Sherry Stringield, actress (ER)
1969 - Kevin Turner, NFL fullback (Phila Eagles)
1969 - Mathieu Schneider, NYC, NHL defenseman (NY Islanders, Toronto)
1970 - Damon Buford, Baltimore MD, outfielder (Texas Rangers)
1970 - Lee Mayberry, NBA guard (Milwaukee Bucks, Vancouver Grizzlies)
1971 - Florencia Labat, Buenos Aires Argentina, tennis star (1992 Austrian)
1971 - Iwan Tomasz, soccer player (Roda JC, Feyenoord)
1971 - Mark Henry, Silsbee TX, 238+lbs (108+kg) weightlift (Oly-14th-92, 96)
1971 - Phillip Bobo, WLAF receiver (Amsterdam Admirals)
1971 - Ryan Klesko, Westminster CA, outfielder (Atlanta Braves)
1971 - Stephanie Thater, Kirkwood Mo, volleyball middle blocker (Olympics-96)
1971 - Thomas Bailey, WLAF wide receiver (Rhein Fire)
1972 - Inger Miller, LA Calif, 100m runner
1972 - Nathalie Baudone, Rocurt Belgium, tennis star (3rd round 1995 US Open)
1972 - Patrick van Diemen, Dutch soccer player (FC Utrecht, NEC)
1972 - Scott Dawes, Australian baseball catcher (Olympics-1996)
1973 - Hanna Riikka Nieminen, ice hockey right wing (Finland, Oly-98)
1973 - Jason Caffey, NBA forward (Chicago Bulls)
1973 - Rick Plum, Dutch soccer player (Roda JC, MVV)
1974 - Kerry Kittles, NBA guard (NJ Nets)
1974 - Vanessa Baker, Australia, diver (Olympics-96)
1975 - Ryan Tucker, NFL center (St Louis Rams)
1975 - Scott Ferrier, Australia, high jumper/decathlete (Olympics-96)
1976 - Kristin Alicia Beall Ludecke, Eustis Fla, Miss America-Florida (1996)
1977 - Andrea Schwartz, Winnipeg Manitoba, 200m butterfly (Olympics-96)
1978 - ? Weiss, Albuquerque NM, (1996 US Mens' Figure Champion)
1978 - Shiloh Strong, actor (Maybe This Time, House of Cards)
1979 - Wil Horneff, Englewood NJ, actor (Ghost in the Machine, Sandlot)
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A Dog's Life
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If your dog is fat, you aren't getting enough exercise.
- Unknown
Some days you're the dog; some days you're the hydrant.
- Unknown
Whoever said you can't buy happiness forgot about puppies.
- Gene Hill
In dog years, I'm dead.
- Unknown
To his dog, every man is Napoleon; hence the constant popularity of dogs.
- Aldous Huxley
A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverance, and to turn around three times
before lying down.
- Robert Benchley
Did you ever walk into a room and forget why you walked in? I think that's
how dogs spend their lives.
- Sue Murphy
I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to
bite people themselves.
- August Strindberg
No animal should ever jump up on the dining room furniture unless absolutely
certain that he can hold his own in the conversation.
- Fran Lebowitz
Ever consider what they must think of us? I mean, here we come back from a
grocery store with the most amazing haul -- chicken, pork, half a cow. They
must think we're the greatest hunters on earth!
- Anne Tyler
I wonder if other dogs think poodles are members of a weird religious cult.
- Rita Rudner
My dog is worried about the economy because Alpo is up to 99 cents a can.
That's almost $7.00 in dog money.
- Joe Weinstein
If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have
known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons.
- James Thurber
You enter into a certain amount of madness when you marry a person with
pets.
- Nora Ephron
Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are
wonderful.
- Ann Landers
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get
used to the idea.
- Robert A. Heinlein
In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should
have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him.
- Dereke Bruce, Taipei, Taiwan
Of all the things I miss from veterinary practice, puppy breath is one of
the most fond memories!
- Dr. Tom Cat
There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.
- Ben Williams
When a man's best friend is his dog, that dog has a problem.
- Edward Abbey
Cat's motto: No matter what you've done wrong, always try to make it look
like the dog did it.
- Unknown
Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail.
- Unknown
No one appreciates the very special genius of your conversation as the dog
does.
- Christopher Morley
A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself.
- Josh Billings
Man is a dog's idea of what God should be.
- Holbrook Jackson
The average dog is a nicer person than the average person.
- Andrew A. Rooney
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life,
his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat
of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
- Unknown
If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you;
that is the principal difference between a dog and a man.
- Mark Twain
Things that upset a terrier may pass virtually unnoticed by a Great Dane.
- Smiley Blanton
I've seen a look in dogs' eyes, a quickly vanishing look of amazed contempt,
and I am convinced that basically dogs think humans are nuts.
- John Steinbeck
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The Bell
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After Quasimodo's death, the bishop of the Cathedral of Notre Dame sent word through the streets of Paris that a new bell ringer was needed.
The bishop decided that he would conduct the interviews personally and went up into the belfry to begin the screening process. After observing several applicants demonstrate their skill, he had decided to call it a day.
Just then, an armless man approached him and announced that he was there to apply for the bell ringer's job.
The bishop was incredulous. "You have no arms!"
"No matter," said the man. "Observe!" And he began striking the bells with his face, producing a beautiful melody on the carillon.
The bishop listened in astonishment; convinced he had finally found a replacement for Quasimodo. But suddenly, rushing forward to strike a bell, the armless man tripped and plunged headlong out of the belfry window to his death in the street below.
The stunned bishop rushed to his side. When he reached the street, a crowd had gathered around the fallen figure, drawn by the beautiful music they had heard only moments before.
As they silently parted to let the bishop through, one of them asked, "Bishop, who was this man?"
"I don't know his name," the bishop sadly replied,
"BUT HIS FACE RINGS A BELL"....
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Time to hit the road for work, enjoy your day guys.
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Sheesh X 2.
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Morning, Chip.
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Morning, Chip.
Good morning Dave.
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Morning LSU & Golf
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Morning LSU & Golf
Morning, Dave.
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morning Chip.
morning Dave.
morning Dave.
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morning Chip.
morning Dave.
morning Dave.
morning Dean
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morning Chip.
morning Dave.
morning Dave.
Good morning Native and Dean.
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morning Chip.
morning Dave.
morning Dave.
morning Dean
Lol, morning Dean.
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Morning one who looked at it
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
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I guess slow Workaference Banter Days have become the new norm. :(
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I guess slow Workaference Banter Days have become the new norm. :(
NORM!!
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
TWSS
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Golden State may have finally figured it out
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I guess slow Workaference Banter Days have become the new norm. :(
Leads us to one undeniable fact - Shaun is the glue that holds us together. Without him, we are nothing!
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Golden State may have finally figured it out
The only thing they figured out was how to put a lid on the basket. You shoot 33% for a game, you're not gonna win that game, plain and simple.
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I guess slow Workaference Banter Days have become the new norm. :(
Leads us to one undeniable fact - Shaun is the glue that holds us together. Without him, we are nothing!
Watch it! That's a NFM you're talking about
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Golden State may have finally figured it out
The only thing they figured out was how to put a lid on the basket. You shoot 33% for a game, you're not gonna win that game, plain and simple.
Better pace to their offensive game though
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I guess slow Workaference Banter Days have become the new norm. :(
Leads us to one undeniable fact - Shaun is the glue that holds us together. Without him, we are nothing!
Watch it! That's a NFM you're talking about
Well it sure ain't the same without the Yellowstar.
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Golden State may have finally figured it out
The only thing they figured out was how to put a lid on the basket. You shoot 33% for a game, you're not gonna win that game, plain and simple.
Better pace to their offensive game though
No doubt. We got it down to 3 points a couple of times, but poor shooting just couldn't get us over the hump. We had one possession with about 4 shots, just laying bricks. It was hard to watch, especially being there. At least traffic wasn't bad when we left. Lol
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I guess slow Workaference Banter Days have become the new norm. :(
Leads us to one undeniable fact - Shaun is the glue that holds us together. Without him, we are nothing!
Watch it! That's a NFM you're talking about
Well it sure ain't the same without the Yellowstar.
Agreed, feels slightly less commie-ish.
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I guess slow Workaference Banter Days have become the new norm. :(
Leads us to one undeniable fact - Shaun is the glue that holds us together. Without him, we are nothing!
Watch it! That's a NFM you're talking about
Exactly, yellowstars are dime a dozen.
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I guess slow Workaference Banter Days have become the new norm. :(
Leads us to one undeniable fact - Shaun is the glue that holds us together. Without him, we are nothing!
Watch it! That's a NFM you're talking about
Well it sure ain't the same without the Yellowstar.
True, but he's still getting his rhythm...
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Morning Chip, Dave, Dave, Dean and Fishy.
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Golden State may have finally figured it out
The only thing they figured out was how to put a lid on the basket. You shoot 33% for a game, you're not gonna win that game, plain and simple.
Better pace to their offensive game though
No doubt. We got it down to 3 points a couple of times, but poor shooting just couldn't get us over the hump. We had one possession with about 4 shots, just laying bricks. It was hard to watch, especially being there. At least traffic wasn't bad when we left. Lol
Oh damn, must have missed the fact you were going to the game
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Morning Chip, Dave, Dave, Dean and Fishy.
Morning, Dave. Back home now?
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Morning Chip, Dave, Dave, Dean and Fishy.
Morning NJDave
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I guess slow Workaference Banter Days have become the new norm. :(
Than and having to look at Gurkha's or 5 Vegas tent posts all day. That's enough to take the wind out of most sails.
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Golden State may have finally figured it out
The only thing they figured out was how to put a lid on the basket. You shoot 33% for a game, you're not gonna win that game, plain and simple.
Better pace to their offensive game though
No doubt. We got it down to 3 points a couple of times, but poor shooting just couldn't get us over the hump. We had one possession with about 4 shots, just laying bricks. It was hard to watch, especially being there. At least traffic wasn't bad when we left. Lol
Oh damn, must have missed the fact you were going to the game
Yes, indeed. Lots of stuff going on outside the arena before the game. Great atmosphere and experience, even with the final result.
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Morning Chip, Dave, Dave, Dean and Fishy.
Morning, Dave. Back home now?
Yes sir, got the coffee brewing and brown boxes to unpack.
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Morning Chip, Dave, Dave, Dean and Fishy.
Morning, Dave. Back home now?
Yes sir, got the coffee brewing and brown boxes to unpack.
Always a treat.
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Morning Back Home Dave
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is it Monday yet?
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is it Monday yet?
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Morning Chip, Dave, Dave, Dean and Fishy.
Morning, Dave. Back home now?
Yes sir, got the coffee brewing and brown boxes to unpack.
What's better than that?
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is it Monday yet?
LALTS
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Don't you just love high def?
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
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I know, GFY.
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morning Chip.
morning Dave.
morning Dave.
morning another Dave.
morning Scott.
morning Tony.
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
So, Monday is a thing most people hate, but Dean embraces? Confirmed - Monday is a deadbeat.
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
So, Monday is a thing most people hate, but Dean embraces? Confirmed - Monday is a deadbeat.
nevermind, I love Saturdays now. bikerlady's estrogen hormone therapy kicks in.
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
So, Monday is a thing most people hate, but Dean embraces? Confirmed - Monday is a deadbeat.
nevermind, I love Saturdays now. bikerlady's estrogen hormone therapy kicks in.
"See, the problem is that God gave Dean a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time"
Robin Williams
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
So, Monday is a thing most people hate, but Dean embraces? Confirmed - Monday is a deadbeat.
nevermind, I love Saturdays now. bikerlady's estrogen hormone therapy kicks in.
TMI
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Morning Dave, Dave, Chip, Dave, biebs, bikerladyboytoy.
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Morning Dave, Dave, Chip, Dave, biebs, bikerladyboytoy.
Morning Bean
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Good morning Nubs....!
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
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Good morning Nubs....!
Morning Dad
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
So, Monday is a thing most people hate, but Dean embraces? Confirmed - Monday is a deadbeat.
CNS, I like that one
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
So, Monday is a thing most people hate, but Dean embraces? Confirmed - Monday is a deadbeat.
CNS, I like that one
+1
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My CBID order will arrive tomorrow, I couldn't resist buying the new Xikar Turrim Lighter
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My CBID order will arrive tomorrow, I couldn't resist buying the new Xikar Turrim Lighter
Happy Father's Day!
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My CBID order will arrive tomorrow, I couldn't resist buying the new Xikar Turrim Lighter
How much did you get it for?
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
Hey-o!
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
So, Monday is a thing most people hate, but Dean embraces? Confirmed - Monday is a deadbeat.
CNS, I like that one
Well....., a Happy Monday to ya...! All days seem the same to me. Except Mondays. I can't get a haircut on Mondays.
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And Happy Father's Day To Me From Me will be here Monday!
Las Calaveras Edicion Limitada 2015 LC46 Corona Gorda Cigars - Dark Natural
An order you recently placed on our website has had its status changed.
The status of order #3337 is now Shipped
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My CBID order will arrive tomorrow, I couldn't resist buying the new Xikar Turrim Lighter
Wow, nice lighter...! And if the police pull you over, they'll just think it's you lipstick. ;)
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
You learn that one at the service the other week?
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Happy Friday, Banteritos
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
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My CBID order will arrive tomorrow, I couldn't resist buying the new Xikar Turrim Lighter
Happy Father's Day!
The only person around here that remembers Father's Day is my daughter-in-law...
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Happy Friday, Banteritos
Morning BS
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
Simple solution would be to just make Monday part of the new 3-day weekend, making Tuesday the new asshole of the week. ;D
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Why all this talk of Monday's....its just Friday...sheesh
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Good morning Nubs....!
Morning Dad
Helloooooo TR.... Did you hear about that lemon stand they busted in Texas yesterday...? I heard the 250 lb cop threw that 7 year old girl down to the ground, sat on her and cuffed her, while she was crying, "call my mommy...!" Or was that another story...?
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
Simple solution would be to just make Monday part of the new 3-day weekend, making Tuesday the new asshole of the week. ;D
I have that option but I more see it as making Friday the asshole and sure don't want that!
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Yeah, I think she's parlayed her hand job bag company into a good money maker.
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Good morning Nubs....!
Morning Dad
Helloooooo TR.... Did you hear about that lemon stand they busted in Texas yesterday...? I heard the 250 lb cop threw that 7 year old girl down to the ground, sat on her and cuffed her, while she was crying, "call my mommy...!" Or was that another story...?
Just what she needed too so she does not grow up like her mother.
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
Simple solution would be to just make Monday part of the new 3-day weekend, making Tuesday the new asshole of the week. ;D
I have that option but I more see it as making Friday the asshole and sure don't want that!
Why? Tuesdays are already for airing grievances and general bitching... I think it would fit right in and be less noticeable.
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Why all this talk of Monday's....its just Friday...sheesh
Why Else - DEAN!
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is it Monday yet?
I feel bad for Mondays sometimes. If Monday was a person, I’m pretty sure it would feel bad for itself. It is universally hated, with little exception. Monday is one of those days that is bullied and kicked around by everyone: it is universally cursed and loathed, through no fault of its own. When I think about Monday, I imagine a tiny, furry animal crouching in fear, while several large, hairy creatures gang up against it.
God created the “heavens and the earth” on Monday, and light and darkness. If it were not for this day that you so loathe, you wouldn’t be alive.
You learn that one at the service the other week?
Ba Dup, Dup.... And now for my next trick, watch this glass of water very closely (hic-cup...)
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I know, GFY.
+1
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Alright Deadbeats I got to mow the grass before it gets 90 degrees! Later.
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Why all this talk of Monday's....its just Friday...sheesh
At least there's talk.... now, go play with your cartons! ;)
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Morning Dave, Dave, Chip, Dave, biebs, bikerladyboytoy.
LOL....
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Happy Friday, Banteritos
Morn'n BS..!
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Happy Friday, Banteritos
Morning BS
Morning, Dave. Good luck with that lawn. Gonna be +90° and muggy here all weekend. Not looking forward to the yardwork myself.
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Happy Friday, Banteritos
Morn'n BS..!
Hey, BD. How were the wings? or did you just drink your dinner?
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
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Good morning Nubs....!
Morning Dad
Helloooooo TR.... Did you hear about that lemon stand they busted in Texas yesterday...? I heard the 250 lb cop threw that 7 year old girl down to the ground, sat on her and cuffed her, while she was crying, "call my mommy...!" Or was that another story...?
That was the basic premise. He didn't buy a glass either, so he got fired resigned.
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Why all this talk of Monday's....its just Friday...sheesh
You know what they say, "Friday is just that much closer to Monday...!"
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Happy Friday, Banteritos
Morn'n BS..!
Hey, BD. How were the wings? or did you just drink your dinner?
The wings turned out very good. I didn't burn a one...! I think I'll freeze the rest for those late night snacks... :) If I get energetic today, I'm thinking about making enchiladas. Oh that reminds me, I need to thaw out my hamburger.
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Was this the head-first close up into the camera man?
Wonder if those hair plugs are still under warranty? ???
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
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Happy Friday, Banteritos
Morn'n BS..!
Hey, BD. How were the wings? or did you just drink your dinner?
The wings turned out very good. I didn't burn a one...! I think I'll freeze the rest for those late night snacks... :) If I get energetic today, I'm thinking about making enchiladas. Oh that reminds me, I need to thaw out my hamburger.
"Thaw out my hamburger" somehow sounds like code coming from you. lol.
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Why all this talk of Monday's....its just Friday...sheesh
You know what they say, "Friday is just that much closer to Monday...!"
What do "they" know. They are a bunch of jerks anyway.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Was this the head-first close up into the camera man?
Wonder if those hair plugs are still under warranty? ???
Lol, hope so. We were halfway up in the upper deck. My mom texted me saying his head looked pretty messed up. I told her it didn't look that bad to us.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
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My CBID order will arrive tomorrow, I couldn't resist buying the new Xikar Turrim Lighter
Good lookin' lighter. I have an EllipseII that is similar. Like it a lot, but it does go through butane at a pretty good clip. You can practically see the level go down when you light it.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Was this the head-first close up into the camera man?
Wonder if those hair plugs are still under warranty? ???
Lol, hope so. We were halfway up in the upper deck. My mom texted me saying his head looked pretty messed up. I told her it didn't look that bad to us.
It looked more substantial when he finally took the towel off his head. Not a complete cut circle, more like ( )
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Looks like somebody bought all the MiAmor's on the monster again this morning... not that I need any. Actually nice to see something different now and again.
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Was this the head-first close up into the camera man?
Wonder if those hair plugs are still under warranty? ???
Lol, hope so. We were halfway up in the upper deck. My mom texted me saying his head looked pretty messed up. I told her it didn't look that bad to us.
It looked more substantial when he finally took the towel off his head. Not a complete cut circle, more like ( )
Yeah, saw a picture of it this morning. Looked pretty nasty. We could tell it was bleeding at the time, but couldn't see much more than that, and they didn't put it up on the big screen, obviously.
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Was this the head-first close up into the camera man?
Wonder if those hair plugs are still under warranty? ???
Lol, hope so. We were halfway up in the upper deck. My mom texted me saying his head looked pretty messed up. I told her it didn't look that bad to us.
I asked my grand-daughter how did she like my haircut. She said the barber cut too much off of the back (referring to my bald spot...)
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Was this the head-first close up into the camera man?
Wonder if those hair plugs are still under warranty? ???
Lol, hope so. We were halfway up in the upper deck. My mom texted me saying his head looked pretty messed up. I told her it didn't look that bad to us.
Yeah, I'm sure it hurt, but sheesh, he acted like his head was on fire. He's a drama queen.
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Was this the head-first close up into the camera man?
Wonder if those hair plugs are still under warranty? ???
Lol, hope so. We were halfway up in the upper deck. My mom texted me saying his head looked pretty messed up. I told her it didn't look that bad to us.
It looked more substantial when he finally took the towel off his head. Not a complete cut circle, more like ( )
Yeah, saw a picture of it this morning. Looked pretty nasty. We could tell it was bleeding at the time, but couldn't see much more than that, and they didn't put it up on the big screen, obviously.
Classic dumbass sideline reporting as usual too. "Did you get stitches? No, glue. Do you have a headache? Ya, I have a headache"... sheesh
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Was this the head-first close up into the camera man?
Wonder if those hair plugs are still under warranty? ???
Lol, hope so. We were halfway up in the upper deck. My mom texted me saying his head looked pretty messed up. I told her it didn't look that bad to us.
It looked more substantial when he finally took the towel off his head. Not a complete cut circle, more like ( )
Yeah, saw a picture of it this morning. Looked pretty nasty. We could tell it was bleeding at the time, but couldn't see much more than that, and they didn't put it up on the big screen, obviously.
Classic dumbass sideline reporting as usual too. "Did you get stitches? No, glue. Do you have a headache? Ya, I have a headache"... sheesh
The press needs to be in the first row, not sitting 12" out-of-bounds. And yes, every after action press conference, regardless of the sport, is inane.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
I was working on the angle that she would have to loose a little weight, and wear one of those sexy mouse costumes. Am I stooping too low again....? Or maybe I'm ok while Dean and TR are not here..? :)
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Was this the head-first close up into the camera man?
Wonder if those hair plugs are still under warranty? ???
Lol, hope so. We were halfway up in the upper deck. My mom texted me saying his head looked pretty messed up. I told her it didn't look that bad to us.
It looked more substantial when he finally took the towel off his head. Not a complete cut circle, more like ( )
Yeah, saw a picture of it this morning. Looked pretty nasty. We could tell it was bleeding at the time, but couldn't see much more than that, and they didn't put it up on the big screen, obviously.
Classic dumbass sideline reporting as usual too. "Did you get stitches? No, glue. Do you have a headache? Ya, I have a headache"... sheesh
The press needs to be in the first row, now sitting 12" out-of-bounds. And yes, every after action press conference, regardless of the sport, is inane.
Agreed, but really the 1st row isn't that much further away on the sides. Behind the backboard should have more space just for continuation purposes.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
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Good morning LeBron's exposed junk
Bet it looked better than they did last night. Sheesh.
Was this the head-first close up into the camera man?
Wonder if those hair plugs are still under warranty? ???
Lol, hope so. We were halfway up in the upper deck. My mom texted me saying his head looked pretty messed up. I told her it didn't look that bad to us.
It looked more substantial when he finally took the towel off his head. Not a complete cut circle, more like ( )
Yeah, saw a picture of it this morning. Looked pretty nasty. We could tell it was bleeding at the time, but couldn't see much more than that, and they didn't put it up on the big screen, obviously.
Classic dumbass sideline reporting as usual too. "Did you get stitches? No, glue. Do you have a headache? Ya, I have a headache"... sheesh
The press needs to be in the first row, not sitting 12" out-of-bounds. And yes, every after action press conference, regardless of the sport, is inane.
Agreed. And when he stepped up to the free throw line after that, it looked like he thought he was Batman.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
I was working on the angle that she would have to loose a little weight, and wear one of those sexy mouse costumes. Am I stooping too low again....? Or maybe I'm ok while Dean and TR are not here..? :)
Sexy mouse... you certainly have an active imagination. I don't want to know the scenario... okay, maybe. It's Friday. ;D
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
I was working on the angle that she would have to loose a little weight, and wear one of those sexy mouse costumes. Am I stooping too low again....? Or maybe I'm ok while Dean and TR are not here..? :)
And, of course, this is where I enter the conversation. Sheesh. I've gotta get better timing.
Morning, muchachos. Spent most of yesterday evening yanking the transmission out of my Toyota pickup to change the clutch. Fun times. But I had some friends helping, and we smoked some 5-Vegas Triple A's. There are worse ways to spend an evening.
This space for rent.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
Our Soul gets around 30 in the city pretty easily. Well, when I drive at least. The wife is a lot more herky jerky in her driving habits.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
Our Soul gets around 30 in the city pretty easily. Well, when I drive at least. The wife is a lot more herky jerky in her driving habits.
Shit, lets not start with women drivers. :o
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
I was working on the angle that she would have to loose a little weight, and wear one of those sexy mouse costumes. Am I stooping too low again....? Or maybe I'm ok while Dean and TR are not here..? :)
And, of course, this is where I enter the conversation. Sheesh. I've gotta get better timing.
Morning, muchachos. Spent most of yesterday evening yanking the transmission out of my Toyota pickup to change the clutch. Fun times. But I had some friends helping, and we smoked some 5-Vegas Triple A's. There are worse ways to spend an evening.
This space for rent.
The warden shrunk all your summer clothes again too? haha. Morning, Bret
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
I was working on the angle that she would have to loose a little weight, and wear one of those sexy mouse costumes. Am I stooping too low again....? Or maybe I'm ok while Dean and TR are not here..? :)
And, of course, this is where I enter the conversation. Sheesh. I've gotta get better timing.
Morning, muchachos. Spent most of yesterday evening yanking the transmission out of my Toyota pickup to change the clutch. Fun times. But I had some friends helping, and we smoked some 5-Vegas Triple A's. There are worse ways to spend an evening.
This space for rent.
Good morning Bret. Just some car talk here.. :)
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My CBID order will arrive tomorrow, I couldn't resist buying the new Xikar Turrim Lighter
How much did you get it for?
$55, told myself I wasn't going over $49...that worked well
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
I was working on the angle that she would have to loose a little weight, and wear one of those sexy mouse costumes. Am I stooping too low again....? Or maybe I'm ok while Dean and TR are not here..? :)
And, of course, this is where I enter the conversation. Sheesh. I've gotta get better timing.
Morning, muchachos. Spent most of yesterday evening yanking the transmission out of my Toyota pickup to change the clutch. Fun times. But I had some friends helping, and we smoked some 5-Vegas Triple A's. There are worse ways to spend an evening.
This space for rent.
Good morning Bret. Just some car talk here.. :)
Kia and car talk is not the same.
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My CBID order will arrive tomorrow, I couldn't resist buying the new Xikar Turrim Lighter
How much did you get it for?
$55, told myself I wasn't going over $49...that worked well
LALTS
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
I was working on the angle that she would have to loose a little weight, and wear one of those sexy mouse costumes. Am I stooping too low again....? Or maybe I'm ok while Dean and TR are not here..? :)
And, of course, this is where I enter the conversation. Sheesh. I've gotta get better timing.
Morning, muchachos. Spent most of yesterday evening yanking the transmission out of my Toyota pickup to change the clutch. Fun times. But I had some friends helping, and we smoked some 5-Vegas Triple A's. There are worse ways to spend an evening.
This space for rent.
Good morning Bret. Just some car talk here.. :)
Kia and car talk is not the same.
Dean would prefer we talk about real cars, like Jeeps that are in the shop once every 3 weeks. ;)
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My CBID order will arrive tomorrow, I couldn't resist buying the new Xikar Turrim Lighter
How much did you get it for?
$55, told myself I wasn't going over $49...that worked well
Guess you're not gonna post that confirmation email then? :P
At least you know you'll get one father's day gift you wanted... which is nice.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
I was working on the angle that she would have to loose a little weight, and wear one of those sexy mouse costumes. Am I stooping too low again....? Or maybe I'm ok while Dean and TR are not here..? :)
And, of course, this is where I enter the conversation. Sheesh. I've gotta get better timing.
Morning, muchachos. Spent most of yesterday evening yanking the transmission out of my Toyota pickup to change the clutch. Fun times. But I had some friends helping, and we smoked some 5-Vegas Triple A's. There are worse ways to spend an evening.
This space for rent.
Good morning Bret. Just some car talk here.. :)
Kia and car talk is not the same.
Dean would prefer we talk about real cars, like Jeeps that are in the shop once every 3 weeks. ;)
BAM!
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My CBID order will arrive tomorrow, I couldn't resist buying the new Xikar Turrim Lighter
How much did you get it for?
$55, told myself I wasn't going over $49...that worked well
Guess you're not gonna post that confirmation email then? :P
At least you know you'll get one father's day gift you wanted... which is nice.
Yeah, can't put a price on actually getting what you want.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
I'm starting to think all the cars are like that to increase the gas mileage. I was talking to a lady that has a new Chevy Malibu and she said it sounded like a tin can and she hated it. I asked another woman about her Ford Focus, and she hated it, and said she didn't come close to the rated gas mileage. I looked at her wheels, and they were painted and the paint was chipping off in big chunks, and this was a fairly new car. My problem is, I need a cheep, high mileage, and reliable car that I can fit in and easy to get in and out of (I'm old.) Also I can afford a car at the $20,000 mark, but it would take me about 4 more years to save another $5k-8k for a better car. Also if I bought a more expensive car, I doubt that I could afford to have it worked on. How much does a new radar system cost. Our friend can't afford to buy a new tail light for her car because it's LED and cost $400. The 10 year warranty looks rather nice too. Anyway I'm still looking, and looking..
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
I was working on the angle that she would have to loose a little weight, and wear one of those sexy mouse costumes. Am I stooping too low again....? Or maybe I'm ok while Dean and TR are not here..? :)
Sexy mouse... you certainly have an active imagination. I don't want to know the scenario... okay, maybe. It's Friday. ;D
I'm sure you guys think about this stuff too, but just don't mention it.. ;)
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
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A man sits down and writes some words on a piece of paper and they call him a poet, and he get's $50 for it.
Another man sits down and writes some words on a piece of paper and they call him a song writer, and he get's $100 for it.
The third man sits down and writes some words on a piece of paper and they call him a preacher, and it takes 8 people to collect the money.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
I think you're paying WAY too much attention to your car's behavior.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
I would love to have an Accord, but I'm not too sure I can afford it. I think they are listed at $23,500 for the lowest priced one. Do you have any problem with wind noise on the highway...?
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A man sits down and writes some words on a piece of paper and they call him a poet, and he get's $50 for it.
Another man sits down and writes some words on a piece of paper and they call him a song writer, and he get's $100 for it.
The third man sits down and writes some words on a piece of paper and they call him a preacher, and it takes 8 people to collect the money.
The poet and the songwriter need better agents.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
I would love to have an Accord, but I'm not too sure I can afford it. I think they are listed at $23,500 for the lowest priced one. Do you have any problem with wind noise on the highway...?
As a matter of fact I do
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Maybe you should hint for her to get a second job! haha. jk
I was working on the angle that she would have to loose a little weight, and wear one of those sexy mouse costumes. Am I stooping too low again....? Or maybe I'm ok while Dean and TR are not here..? :)
And, of course, this is where I enter the conversation. Sheesh. I've gotta get better timing.
Morning, muchachos. Spent most of yesterday evening yanking the transmission out of my Toyota pickup to change the clutch. Fun times. But I had some friends helping, and we smoked some 5-Vegas Triple A's. There are worse ways to spend an evening.
This space for rent.
Good morning Bret. Just some car talk here.. :)
Kia and car talk is not the same.
Dean would prefer we talk about real cars, like Jeeps that are in the shop once every 3 weeks. ;)
yep, and I only have one and a half more car payments and I'll either get health insurance or put the money towards the IRS payments.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
I'm starting to think all the cars are like that to increase the gas mileage. I was talking to a lady that has a new Chevy Malibu and she said it sounded like a tin can and she hated it. I asked another woman about her Ford Focus, and she hated it, and said she didn't come close to the rated gas mileage. I looked at her wheels, and they were painted and the paint was chipping off in big chunks, and this was a fairly new car. My problem is, I need a cheep, high mileage, and reliable car that I can fit in and easy to get in and out of (I'm old.) Also I can afford a car at the $20,000 mark, but it would take me about 4 more years to save another $5k-8k for a better car. Also if I bought a more expensive car, I doubt that I could afford to have it worked on. How much does a new radar system cost. Our friend can't afford to buy a new tail light for her car because it's LED and cost $400. The 10 year warranty looks rather nice too. Anyway I'm still looking, and looking..
So in other words it's going to take you as long to get a car as it is a TV...
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I met a guy in the Army, and everyone hated him. I couldn't understand why he was so disliked. So I started paying attention to what he said. Basically, he said what ever was on his mind. He wasn't mean, or hateful, but just said what ever he thought.
There was a place on 4th street in Anchorage, AK that was well known for it's nudie bars and adult theaters. Every Saturday night the area would be flooded with service men.
The guy I had mentioned, myself, and a few other guys were standing around talking about going to 4th street this next Saturday night, when the Chaplin happened in and over heard us.
The Chaplin started in on us about not going. He confronted this guy by saying, "I can't understand why you guys want to go down there..?"
The guy replied, "Well Chaplin, what guy in his right mind wouldn't want to see a beautiful naked woman...?"
With that, the Chaplin left. The other guys were appalled at what he had said, and continued to dislike this guy.
I thought to myself, "he's right." And who better to say it to than some one that is trying to push their views on you and expecting you to follow them.
After that I started appreciating people that could speak their own mind.
That Saturday night, all the guys in the conversation ended up on 4th street as usual.
A few months later, "who do you think was spotted at one of the strip clubs, giving $1.00 bills to the girls..?" You guessed it, it was the Chaplin.
We did confront him about it and he said, "every once in a while you have to let your hair down."
Anyway, I often also say what ever happens to be on my mind at the moment. I guess that's how I got on the banters, "I can't believe you stooped so low list," haha... :)
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
-10 Tex if it ain't a truck or full size SUV then leave it at the lot.
-10 more because we have already been through this entire car buying scenario with Dad and he did not do anything and nothing in the car world has changed since then.
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Morning Raz
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good afternoon, I see talk about lighters, cars, chaplains handing out dollar bills in strip joints, and i think Brett, smoked some 5V's while fixing the clutch in his truck.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
-10 Tex if it ain't a truck or full size SUV then leave it at the lot.
-10 more because we have already been through this entire car buying scenario with Dad and he did not do anything and nothing in the car world has changed since then.
Is there a scenario we haven't been through here, multiple times?
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If you're just looking at gas mileage,
Volkswagon Passat 30/44
Honda Accord Hybrid 50/45 (although I'm not big on hybrids for the cost/benefit)
Volkswagon Jetta 31/46
Honda Civic Hybrid 44/47
Toyota Prius 51/48
Tesla Model S 95/106
Other regular gas engines:
Toyota Corolla 30/42
Chevy Cruze 27/46
Mazda 3 28/40
Mazda 6 28/38
Ford Focus 26/36
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
I am not a sedan type guy but f I was that would be high on my list, very nice car.
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Anyway, I often also say what ever happens to be on my mind at the moment. I guess that's how I got on the banters, "I can't believe you stooped so low list," haha... :)
Oh, we're glad to have you speak your mind. But we reserve the right to haze you for what's on it.
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If you're just looking at gas mileage,
Volkswagon Passat 30/44
Honda Accord Hybrid 50/45 (although I'm not big on hybrids for the cost/benefit)
Volkswagon Jetta 31/46
Honda Civic Hybrid 44/47
Toyota Prius 51/48
Tesla Model S 95/106
Other regular gas engines:
Toyota Corolla 30/42
Chevy Cruze 27/46
Mazda 3 28/40
Mazda 6 28/38
Ford Focus 26/36
Think the Tesla might be a touch out of his price range.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
I would love to have an Accord, but I'm not too sure I can afford it. I think they are listed at $23,500 for the lowest priced one. Do you have any problem with wind noise on the highway...?
As a matter of fact I do
From what I've read, it's common for the last few years. I'm not sure if it can be fixed or not...? I guess you could ask the dealer, and I would check on the internet for Technical Bulletins to see if theirs a fix. This is different, but I thought it was interesting on how some dealers are. I ran across a Technical Bulletin for a Hyundia that had moisture and fogging inside the headlight. To fix the problem, turn the engine on, and turn the headlights on for 5 minutes until the fogging is dried out. Do not replace the headlight except for very rare occasions. I guess that fixes the problem until theirs moisture in the air again. Now if you've ever wondered why I've taken my car back for the same problem, I guess this would be one of the reasons. I guess rare occasions would be when you threaten to sue or some thing..?
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If you're just looking at gas mileage,
Volkswagon Passat 30/44
Honda Accord Hybrid 50/45 (although I'm not big on hybrids for the cost/benefit)
Volkswagon Jetta 31/46
Honda Civic Hybrid 44/47
Toyota Prius 51/48
Tesla Model S 95/106
Other regular gas engines:
Toyota Corolla 30/42
Chevy Cruze 27/46
Mazda 3 28/40
Mazda 6 28/38
Ford Focus 26/36
Check the crash ratings on that 2nd list then compare the fuel savings to whatever you deem the people in it are worth before deciding.
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If you're just looking at gas mileage,
Volkswagon Passat 30/44
Honda Accord Hybrid 50/45 (although I'm not big on hybrids for the cost/benefit)
Volkswagon Jetta 31/46
Honda Civic Hybrid 44/47
Toyota Prius 51/48
Tesla Model S 95/106
Other regular gas engines:
Toyota Corolla 30/42
Chevy Cruze 27/46
Mazda 3 28/40
Mazda 6 28/38
Ford Focus 26/36
Check the crash ratings on that 2nd list then compare the fuel savings to whatever you deem the people in it are worth before deciding.
You've heard him talk about the wife, what do you think he will choose? 8)
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good afternoon, I see talk about lighters, cars, chaplains handing out dollar bills in strip joints, and i think Brett, smoked some 5V's while fixing the clutch in his truck.
Afternoon/morning Flip. Yep that about covers it.
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If you're just looking at gas mileage,
Volkswagon Passat 30/44
Honda Accord Hybrid 50/45 (although I'm not big on hybrids for the cost/benefit)
Volkswagon Jetta 31/46
Honda Civic Hybrid 44/47
Toyota Prius 51/48
Tesla Model S 95/106
Other regular gas engines:
Toyota Corolla 30/42
Chevy Cruze 27/46
Mazda 3 28/40
Mazda 6 28/38
Ford Focus 26/36
Check the crash ratings on that 2nd list then compare the fuel savings to whatever you deem the people in it are worth before deciding.
You've heard him talk about the wife, what do you think he will choose? 8)
Best value is in the eyes of the beholder ;D
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good afternoon, I see talk about lighters, cars, chaplains handing out dollar bills in strip joints, and i think Brett, smoked some 5V's while fixing the clutch in his truck.
Yeah, those 5V AAA's had been sitting in the humidor for a goodly time, and they were really nice.
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If you're just looking at gas mileage,
Volkswagon Passat 30/44
Honda Accord Hybrid 50/45 (although I'm not big on hybrids for the cost/benefit)
Volkswagon Jetta 31/46
Honda Civic Hybrid 44/47
Toyota Prius 51/48
Tesla Model S 95/106
Other regular gas engines:
Toyota Corolla 30/42
Chevy Cruze 27/46
Mazda 3 28/40
Mazda 6 28/38
Ford Focus 26/36
Think the Tesla might be a touch out of his price range.
My problem is, I can't afford allot of the cars, and can't fit into some of the others. $24,000 would be really pushing it in my budget. I'm hoping to find a sale by the end of the year when dealers are trying to push cars in order to get the 2016 in. Not that I'm going to do this, but here's what's on my mind. A car MSRP is $24,000 and they have a sale marking it down $3,000 or $4,000. Now at $20,000-$21,000 would work. Better, a Kia Soul MSRP $21,300 and a sale of $3,000 end of year would be $18,300 would be perfect. I can look at the Accords and Camerys at $23,000, but when you start putting options on them, it's nothing to run them up to $28,000 and up. Yikes..!
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
or going to work could be uphill, and you get the downhill benefit on the way home....
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Lunch and a nap next for me
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
or going to work could be uphill, and you get the downhill benefit on the way home....
Or he poops before he leaves the office in the evening.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
-10 Tex if it ain't a truck or full size SUV then leave it at the lot.
-10 more because we have already been through this entire car buying scenario with Dad and he did not do anything and nothing in the car world has changed since then.
Hey, I did too do something. I paid off 8 months of living expenses from last year that was on my Visa card. Bought and paid off a new computer this past 2 months, and the next thing on my list is a new TV which had been on the back burner for the past 7 months. Once I get the tv, then it will hopefully be a car. It just takes time to save the money before I can buy any thing. ugh..!
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
or going to work could be uphill, and you get the downhill benefit on the way home....
Or he poops before he leaves the office in the evening.
That's funny.. :)
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
-10 Tex if it ain't a truck or full size SUV then leave it at the lot.
-10 more because we have already been through this entire car buying scenario with Dad and he did not do anything and nothing in the car world has changed since then.
Hey, I did too do something. I paid off 8 months of living expenses from last year that was on my Visa card. Bought and paid off a new computer this past 2 months, and the next thing on my list is a new TV which had been on the back burner for the past 7 months. Once I get the tv, then it will hopefully be a car. It just takes time to save the money before I can buy any thing. ugh..!
Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
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good afternoon, I see talk about lighters, cars, chaplains handing out dollar bills in strip joints, and i think Brett, smoked some 5V's while fixing the clutch in his truck.
Yeah, those 5V AAA's had been sitting in the humidor for a goodly time, and they were really nice.
For a goodly time, call Raz
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good afternoon, I see talk about lighters, cars, chaplains handing out dollar bills in strip joints, and i think Brett, smoked some 5V's while fixing the clutch in his truck.
Yeah, those 5V AAA's had been sitting in the humidor for a goodly time, and they were really nice.
For a goodly time, call Raz
Text. I don't take calls anymore.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
-10 Tex if it ain't a truck or full size SUV then leave it at the lot.
-10 more because we have already been through this entire car buying scenario with Dad and he did not do anything and nothing in the car world has changed since then.
Hey, I did too do something. I paid off 8 months of living expenses from last year that was on my Visa card. Bought and paid off a new computer this past 2 months, and the next thing on my list is a new TV which had been on the back burner for the past 7 months. Once I get the tv, then it will hopefully be a car. It just takes time to save the money before I can buy any thing. ugh..!
Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have only ever bought one vehicle brand new and I'll never make that mistake again.
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Did I miss the lunch menu for today? I'm getting kinda hungry.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
-10 Tex if it ain't a truck or full size SUV then leave it at the lot.
-10 more because we have already been through this entire car buying scenario with Dad and he did not do anything and nothing in the car world has changed since then.
Hey, I did too do something. I paid off 8 months of living expenses from last year that was on my Visa card. Bought and paid off a new computer this past 2 months, and the next thing on my list is a new TV which had been on the back burner for the past 7 months. Once I get the tv, then it will hopefully be a car. It just takes time to save the money before I can buy any thing. ugh..!
Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
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Did I miss the lunch menu for today? I'm getting kinda hungry.
BBQ Chicken, Potato Salad and Grilled Vegies with Piña Colada Cake for dessert.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
-10 Tex if it ain't a truck or full size SUV then leave it at the lot.
-10 more because we have already been through this entire car buying scenario with Dad and he did not do anything and nothing in the car world has changed since then.
Hey, I did too do something. I paid off 8 months of living expenses from last year that was on my Visa card. Bought and paid off a new computer this past 2 months, and the next thing on my list is a new TV which had been on the back burner for the past 7 months. Once I get the tv, then it will hopefully be a car. It just takes time to save the money before I can buy any thing. ugh..!
Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
-10 Tex if it ain't a truck or full size SUV then leave it at the lot.
-10 more because we have already been through this entire car buying scenario with Dad and he did not do anything and nothing in the car world has changed since then.
Hey, I did too do something. I paid off 8 months of living expenses from last year that was on my Visa card. Bought and paid off a new computer this past 2 months, and the next thing on my list is a new TV which had been on the back burner for the past 7 months. Once I get the tv, then it will hopefully be a car. It just takes time to save the money before I can buy any thing. ugh..!
Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
That 10/100,000 Kia warranty only applies to internal parts in the drivetrain not bumper-to-bumper which is more along the standard 3/36,000.
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Did I miss the lunch menu for today? I'm getting kinda hungry.
BBQ Chicken, Potato Salad and Grilled Vegies with Piña Colada Cake for dessert.
That does sound pretty good. Although, I'm so hungry right now I could eat a pina colada cake. ;) ;D
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
or going to work could be uphill, and you get the downhill benefit on the way home....
I actually though of that flip and checked the elevations, home is considerably higher
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
I'll have to check out AutoTrader. I've been using Cars.com, Carsdirect.com, and Edmonds for info. I do worry about a new cars with a new engine. I've been finding it hard to research engines. Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine. All I can do is try to look at older models with the same engine and see if there's any complaints, or look at the used cars with high mileage with that engine.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
We own one. Like it a lot, very little trunk space. Grocery shopping can be like playing Tetris at times, but we like it enough that it isn't a big deal.
Everyone I talk to, love them. What did you get on your...? And what engine did you get (1.6L or 2.0L)...? Oh, and gas mileage, I was sort of worried about that.
Worried about gas milage when the BIG engine is the 2.0... come on BD.
I was aiming for a high mileage car. But I watched a car review by Everyman Driver on Youtube and he said he was getting in the low 20's on a Honda Civic he was reviewing. That car is rated by Honda to get 30-40 mpg. So it would really bother me if I got a Civic thinking I'm going to get 35 mpg, and really get 21 mpg. I know it's hard to believe, but things like that drive me nuts.. :o
1. Highway vs. City
2. Automatic vs. Manual
3. Was the model Si, Ex, Sx etc.
There are always variables. The Warden had a 1995 Ex at one time. Even then it got @30mpg
I got a new (2015) Honda Accord about 3 weeks ago, gets 34MPG on my commute to work. I was impressed, mostly highway but still. Odd thing is that I get 32MPG on the way in and 36MPG on the way home. Must be due to my Starbucks stop
or going to work could be uphill, and you get the downhill benefit on the way home....
I actually though of that flip and checked the elevations, home is considerably higher
That why you're so good at looking down at everyone?
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
She's sleeping.... She has to work tonight. Actually, I have to get started on supper. So I'll need to take a break shortly.
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
My wife just gave me the green light on the Visa card (-0- Balance.) So now I'm looking at tv too. I'm still running into the same problem. When they get low enough to buy, they discontinue them, and bring out a more expensive tv with some thing new on it. Now it's the 4k thing. I'm watching for a Father's Day or 4th of July Sale at Best Buy.
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
She's sleeping.... She has to work tonight. Actually, I have to get started on supper. So I'll need to take a break shortly.
Oh, sorry. Thought that was her MRI.
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
-10 Tex if it ain't a truck or full size SUV then leave it at the lot.
-10 more because we have already been through this entire car buying scenario with Dad and he did not do anything and nothing in the car world has changed since then.
Hey, I did too do something. I paid off 8 months of living expenses from last year that was on my Visa card. Bought and paid off a new computer this past 2 months, and the next thing on my list is a new TV which had been on the back burner for the past 7 months. Once I get the tv, then it will hopefully be a car. It just takes time to save the money before I can buy any thing. ugh..!
Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
That 10/100,000 Kia warranty only applies to internal parts in the drivetrain not bumper-to-bumper which is more along the standard 3/36,000.
Warranties are a racket. Manufacturers don't give anything away, and there's no free lunch - the cost of the warranty is built into the cost of the vehicle and the cost of non-warranty repairs. So you're paying for it. But for those who don't, won't, or can't work on their own vehicles, warranty roulette is the only game in town.
I can work on my own vehicles, I have good friends with the expertise, experience, facilities and special tools I may lack, and I have a great mechanic who charges me an absurdly low labor rate for work for which I don't have time or energy, so long as I pay cash and can be patient about him getting to my vehicle - which I always can. So I stay out of the new car (or motorcycle) racket.
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
My wife just gave me the green light on the Visa card (-0- Balance.) So now I'm looking at tv too. I'm still running into the same problem. When they get low enough to buy, they discontinue them, and bring out a more expensive tv with some thing new on it. Now it's the 4k thing. I'm watching for a Father's Day or 4th of July Sale at Best Buy.
Well, I wouldn't worry about UltraHD until it's more widely available. Now, it's mostly NetFlix and Amazon. You'll also need a minimum internet connection speed of 15Mb to make a difference. Tv's with the correct decoders for these services are a current issue as well.
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
She's sleeping.... She has to work tonight. Actually, I have to get started on supper. So I'll need to take a break shortly.
Oh, sorry. Thought that was her MRI.
Oh god.. :)
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The last time Hillary Clinton had a simple job to do,
she outsourced it to Monica Lewinsky.....
I've always felt sorry for Monica. I think she got sucked into a bad deal.
How was it a bad deal for her, she has made a fortune off of one blow job and a cigar in her twat with no pictures.
Maybe we could get CI to name a cigar after her....?
Already done: Gurkha
I guess it would sound like that...! Gurka, gurka, gurka, oouuugh...!
My wife has been hinting about a new car for running around town in. She wants one of those Kia Souls, because she thinks the Hamsters are cute. She just wants an automatic, and air. Does anyone know anything about the Souls...?
Drives and feels as cheap as it is.
So, that sounds like a no.
+1 OhioDave
-1 NJDave
The series is back to even...
-1 Raz. I have no use for a vehicle that looks like a utility vehicle but has no cargo space.
This space for rent.
-10 Tex if it ain't a truck or full size SUV then leave it at the lot.
-10 more because we have already been through this entire car buying scenario with Dad and he did not do anything and nothing in the car world has changed since then.
Hey, I did too do something. I paid off 8 months of living expenses from last year that was on my Visa card. Bought and paid off a new computer this past 2 months, and the next thing on my list is a new TV which had been on the back burner for the past 7 months. Once I get the tv, then it will hopefully be a car. It just takes time to save the money before I can buy any thing. ugh..!
Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
That 10/100,000 Kia warranty only applies to internal parts in the drivetrain not bumper-to-bumper which is more along the standard 3/36,000.
Warranties are a racket. Manufacturers don't give anything away, and there's no free lunch - the cost of the warranty is built into the cost of the vehicle and the cost of non-warranty repairs. So you're paying for it. But for those who don't, won't, or can't work on their own vehicles, warranty roulette is the only game in town.
I can work on my own vehicles, I have good friends with the expertise, experience, facilities and special tools I may lack, and I have a great mechanic who charges me an absurdly low labor rate for work for which I don't have time or energy, so long as I pay cash and can be patient about him getting to my vehicle - which I always can. So I stay out of the new car (or motorcycle) racket.
What, no $80 per hour shop fees..? I have a burnt out light bulb over the fuel gauge in the dash board. Bulb = $3.00 labor $383.00.
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Alright, that'll do it for me. In PA with the fam over the weekend, back on Wednesday. Hazzuh!
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Alright, that'll do it for me. In PA with the fam over the weekend, back on Wednesday. Hazzuh!
See ya, Golf... Game on Sunday. Good luck.
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Alright, that'll do it for me. In PA with the fam over the weekend, back on Wednesday. Hazzuh!
Enjoy your weekend Golf.
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Nap completed guess it is time to smoke and drink.
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Nap completed guess it is time to smoke and drink.
Have a couple for me. I have about 2 more hours in the jail cell chained to the desk.
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
My wife just gave me the green light on the Visa card (-0- Balance.) So now I'm looking at tv too. I'm still running into the same problem. When they get low enough to buy, they discontinue them, and bring out a more expensive tv with some thing new on it. Now it's the 4k thing. I'm watching for a Father's Day or 4th of July Sale at Best Buy.
BD do what I have always done, that is after learning my lesson buying a top of the line HP45 calculator in 1974 for close to $400.00. next years product will make this years product cheaper. the sweet spot in in TV's right about now is the 1080P 40-42 inch screen. smart or not so smart. do you need 4k? ask yourself how many dvd or blue rays you currently own. there is no 4k broadcast that I know of at the moment. if you had purchased a 42 inch near state of the art HDTV(1080p) last year, or the year before, would you still be happy with it. if the answer is yes, but it now for $200 less. don't buy 720p, look at what you like in a store, and if it's on sale, take it home. We have places that will do a 36 month no interest, deal (P.C. Richards, best buy), you use their store card and pay them every month 1/36th of the price, the interest accrues, but is not due unless you miss a payment. they are like 27% interest. if you can make that payments great, if not they hit you with outrageous interest. just an option an opinion. by the way replacement for that calulater did more and were $200 - $300 less within two years.
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
My wife just gave me the green light on the Visa card (-0- Balance.) So now I'm looking at tv too. I'm still running into the same problem. When they get low enough to buy, they discontinue them, and bring out a more expensive tv with some thing new on it. Now it's the 4k thing. I'm watching for a Father's Day or 4th of July Sale at Best Buy.
Well, I wouldn't worry about UltraHD until it's more widely available. Now, it's mostly NetFlix and Amazon. You'll also need a minimum internet connection speed of 15Mb to make a difference. Tv's with the correct decoders for these services are a current issue as well.
I believe I have a 30mb internet speed. Right now I'm looking at a 55" or 60" Sony or Samsung. I'm leaning towards the Sony, and waiting for a sale. Present prices are 60" Sony (120hz)is $1,000, and 55" Sony is $899.00. Samsung has changed their rating from hz to 120 Clear Motion.
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If you're just looking at gas mileage,
Volkswagon Passat 30/44
Honda Accord Hybrid 50/45 (although I'm not big on hybrids for the cost/benefit)
Volkswagon Jetta 31/46
Honda Civic Hybrid 44/47
Toyota Prius 51/48
Tesla Model S 95/106
Other regular gas engines:
Toyota Corolla 30/42
Chevy Cruze 27/46
Mazda 3 28/40
Mazda 6 28/38
Ford Focus 26/36
Think the Tesla might be a touch out of his price range.
My problem is, I can't afford allot of the cars, and can't fit into some of the others. $24,000 would be really pushing it in my budget. I'm hoping to find a sale by the end of the year when dealers are trying to push cars in order to get the 2016 in. Not that I'm going to do this, but here's what's on my mind. A car MSRP is $24,000 and they have a sale marking it down $3,000 or $4,000. Now at $20,000-$21,000 would work. Better, a Kia Soul MSRP $21,300 and a sale of $3,000 end of year would be $18,300 would be perfect. I can look at the Accords and Camerys at $23,000, but when you start putting options on them, it's nothing to run them up to $28,000 and up. Yikes..!
With end of season incentives, you can get a Camry, Corolla or the Mazda's nicely equipped in that price range.
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Alright, that'll do it for me. In PA with the fam over the weekend, back on Wednesday. Hazzuh!
leave them Amish farm girls alone LTG, otherwise enjoy your vacation...
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If you're just looking at gas mileage,
Volkswagon Passat 30/44
Honda Accord Hybrid 50/45 (although I'm not big on hybrids for the cost/benefit)
Volkswagon Jetta 31/46
Honda Civic Hybrid 44/47
Toyota Prius 51/48
Tesla Model S 95/106
Other regular gas engines:
Toyota Corolla 30/42
Chevy Cruze 27/46
Mazda 3 28/40
Mazda 6 28/38
Ford Focus 26/36
Think the Tesla might be a touch out of his price range.
My problem is, I can't afford allot of the cars, and can't fit into some of the others. $24,000 would be really pushing it in my budget. I'm hoping to find a sale by the end of the year when dealers are trying to push cars in order to get the 2016 in. Not that I'm going to do this, but here's what's on my mind. A car MSRP is $24,000 and they have a sale marking it down $3,000 or $4,000. Now at $20,000-$21,000 would work. Better, a Kia Soul MSRP $21,300 and a sale of $3,000 end of year would be $18,300 would be perfect. I can look at the Accords and Camerys at $23,000, but when you start putting options on them, it's nothing to run them up to $28,000 and up. Yikes..!
With end of season incentives, you can get a Camry, Corolla or the Mazda's nicely equipped in that price range.
look for a 2014 leftover, or buy the 2015 when the 2016's have been out for a few months....
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine designed in 1952.
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
My wife just gave me the green light on the Visa card (-0- Balance.) So now I'm looking at tv too. I'm still running into the same problem. When they get low enough to buy, they discontinue them, and bring out a more expensive tv with some thing new on it. Now it's the 4k thing. I'm watching for a Father's Day or 4th of July Sale at Best Buy.
Just ignore 4K as there are no transmissions and almost no movies available in it yet. The industry had to introduce something as the 3D was pretty much a bust. Just go with the smart TV.
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Alright, that'll do it for me. In PA with the fam over the weekend, back on Wednesday. Hazzuh!
Later man... Thanks for the info.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
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Just leaving Joe Canals, latest version of Stone Enjoy By is out, highly recommended
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Small interruption got to take a package to the post office and get it in the mail to my son. BBL
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
You're right, there are pros and cons to every approach. As with what you said about trucks, it's much the same for the popular smaller cars like Toyota's and Honda's....We helped my mother look last year, and with the deals you get on a new car, it ended up about 2-3K over a two year old low mileage equivalent. I'll take my chances on the new with a vehicle line you are familiar with.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
My wife just gave me the green light on the Visa card (-0- Balance.) So now I'm looking at tv too. I'm still running into the same problem. When they get low enough to buy, they discontinue them, and bring out a more expensive tv with some thing new on it. Now it's the 4k thing. I'm watching for a Father's Day or 4th of July Sale at Best Buy.
BD do what I have always done, that is after learning my lesson buying a top of the line HP45 calculator in 1974 for close to $400.00. next years product will make this years product cheaper. the sweet spot in in TV's right about now is the 1080P 40-42 inch screen. smart or not so smart. do you need 4k? ask yourself how many dvd or blue rays you currently own. there is no 4k broadcast that I know of at the moment. if you had purchased a 42 inch near state of the art HDTV(1080p) last year, or the year before, would you still be happy with it. if the answer is yes, but it now for $200 less. don't buy 720p, look at what you like in a store, and if it's on sale, take it home. We have places that will do a 36 month no interest, deal (P.C. Richards, best buy), you use their store card and pay them every month 1/36th of the price, the interest accrues, but is not due unless you miss a payment. they are like 27% interest. if you can make that payments great, if not they hit you with outrageous interest. just an option an opinion. by the way replacement for that calulater did more and were $200 - $300 less within two years.
My first HP could add, subtract, multiply, divide and do square roots....think it was like $150 or so....
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I miss them...they've been rumoring to bring them back for years now, but nuthin'. RX-8 was nice with back suicide doors, real back seats (sans legroom). Car insurance listed it as a 4 door sedan....sweet!
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
My wife just gave me the green light on the Visa card (-0- Balance.) So now I'm looking at tv too. I'm still running into the same problem. When they get low enough to buy, they discontinue them, and bring out a more expensive tv with some thing new on it. Now it's the 4k thing. I'm watching for a Father's Day or 4th of July Sale at Best Buy.
BD do what I have always done, that is after learning my lesson buying a top of the line HP45 calculator in 1974 for close to $400.00. next years product will make this years product cheaper. the sweet spot in in TV's right about now is the 1080P 40-42 inch screen. smart or not so smart. do you need 4k? ask yourself how many dvd or blue rays you currently own. there is no 4k broadcast that I know of at the moment. if you had purchased a 42 inch near state of the art HDTV(1080p) last year, or the year before, would you still be happy with it. if the answer is yes, but it now for $200 less. don't buy 720p, look at what you like in a store, and if it's on sale, take it home. We have places that will do a 36 month no interest, deal (P.C. Richards, best buy), you use their store card and pay them every month 1/36th of the price, the interest accrues, but is not due unless you miss a payment. they are like 27% interest. if you can make that payments great, if not they hit you with outrageous interest. just an option an opinion. by the way replacement for that calulater did more and were $200 - $300 less within two years.
Thanks flip..... I'm really wanting a 55" or 60" 1080p 120h. Right now I'm between the sweet spot of 1080p and 4k. I'm getting less and less of a 1080p selection available and I'm afraid before long the only selection will be the higher costing 4k. Oh well, there's always next years sweet spot.. :)
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If you're just looking at gas mileage,
Volkswagon Passat 30/44
Honda Accord Hybrid 50/45 (although I'm not big on hybrids for the cost/benefit)
Volkswagon Jetta 31/46
Honda Civic Hybrid 44/47
Toyota Prius 51/48
Tesla Model S 95/106
Other regular gas engines:
Toyota Corolla 30/42
Chevy Cruze 27/46
Mazda 3 28/40
Mazda 6 28/38
Ford Focus 26/36
Think the Tesla might be a touch out of his price range.
My problem is, I can't afford allot of the cars, and can't fit into some of the others. $24,000 would be really pushing it in my budget. I'm hoping to find a sale by the end of the year when dealers are trying to push cars in order to get the 2016 in. Not that I'm going to do this, but here's what's on my mind. A car MSRP is $24,000 and they have a sale marking it down $3,000 or $4,000. Now at $20,000-$21,000 would work. Better, a Kia Soul MSRP $21,300 and a sale of $3,000 end of year would be $18,300 would be perfect. I can look at the Accords and Camerys at $23,000, but when you start putting options on them, it's nothing to run them up to $28,000 and up. Yikes..!
With end of season incentives, you can get a Camry, Corolla or the Mazda's nicely equipped in that price range.
I don't think I can fit into a Corolla or Mazda 3 with out contorting myself. The Camry is probably my best choice, but did you see that front honey comb grill...? Can you imagine cleaning that after a night of driving in the summer with all the bugs out...
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
My wife just gave me the green light on the Visa card (-0- Balance.) So now I'm looking at tv too. I'm still running into the same problem. When they get low enough to buy, they discontinue them, and bring out a more expensive tv with some thing new on it. Now it's the 4k thing. I'm watching for a Father's Day or 4th of July Sale at Best Buy.
Just ignore 4K as there are no transmissions and almost no movies available in it yet. The industry had to introduce something as the 3D was pretty much a bust. Just go with the smart TV.
I bet Piranha or Piranha DD would be great in 3D... :)
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
Don't get me started. The problem with the Wankel engine is that it's too good. Smooth, powerful, durable, efficient, forgiving, quiet, simple...you see where this is going. How can you sell new cars every year, and warranties, and service, if the engines last so long and with so little trouble? What are ya, a Commie?
This space for rent.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
Don't get me started. The problem with the Wankel engine is that it's too good. Smooth, powerful, durable, efficient, forgiving, quiet, simple...you see where this is going. How can you sell new cars every year, and warranties, and service, if the engines last so long and with so little trouble? What are ya, a Commie?
This space for rent.
A Wankle...
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I have to get off now. Time to fix supper... bbl (maybe)
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
Don't get me started. The problem with the Wankel engine is that it's too good. Smooth, powerful, durable, efficient, forgiving, quiet, simple...you see where this is going. How can you sell new cars every year, and warranties, and service, if the engines last so long and with so little trouble? What are ya, a Commie?
This space for rent.
Here's some interesting reading on the history of the Wankel Rotary. http://www.mazda.com/en/innovation/stories/rotary/newfrontier/ (http://www.mazda.com/en/innovation/stories/rotary/newfrontier/)
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If you're just looking at gas mileage,
Volkswagon Passat 30/44
Honda Accord Hybrid 50/45 (although I'm not big on hybrids for the cost/benefit)
Volkswagon Jetta 31/46
Honda Civic Hybrid 44/47
Toyota Prius 51/48
Tesla Model S 95/106
Other regular gas engines:
Toyota Corolla 30/42
Chevy Cruze 27/46
Mazda 3 28/40
Mazda 6 28/38
Ford Focus 26/36
Think the Tesla might be a touch out of his price range.
My problem is, I can't afford allot of the cars, and can't fit into some of the others. $24,000 would be really pushing it in my budget. I'm hoping to find a sale by the end of the year when dealers are trying to push cars in order to get the 2016 in. Not that I'm going to do this, but here's what's on my mind. A car MSRP is $24,000 and they have a sale marking it down $3,000 or $4,000. Now at $20,000-$21,000 would work. Better, a Kia Soul MSRP $21,300 and a sale of $3,000 end of year would be $18,300 would be perfect. I can look at the Accords and Camerys at $23,000, but when you start putting options on them, it's nothing to run them up to $28,000 and up. Yikes..!
With end of season incentives, you can get a Camry, Corolla or the Mazda's nicely equipped in that price range.
I don't think I can fit into a Corolla or Mazda 3 with out contorting myself. The Camry is probably my best choice, but did you see that front honey comb grill...? Can you imagine cleaning that after a night of driving in the summer with all the bugs out...
Check them out before dismissing them. Surprising room in some of those cars.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
Don't get me started. The problem with the Wankel engine is that it's too good. Smooth, powerful, durable, efficient, forgiving, quiet, simple...you see where this is going. How can you sell new cars every year, and warranties, and service, if the engines last so long and with so little trouble? What are ya, a Commie?
This space for rent.
Here's some interesting reading on the history of the Wankel Rotary. http://www.mazda.com/en/innovation/stories/rotary/newfrontier/ (http://www.mazda.com/en/innovation/stories/rotary/newfrontier/)
Yeah. The one "major" downside of Wankels is they give up some efficiency in acceleration and deceleration. That's hard to sell to politicians and bureaucrats myopically basing regulations on "miles-per-gallon." They don't have time to be bothered with overall environmental impact and TCO. They want sound bites.
In hybrid vehicles, a constants velocity Wankel serving as a generator absolutely rules. But again, hybrids aren't "hip" anymore and everyone wants to talk about total-electrics.
It's a stupid world.
I once helped some friends put a 302 Ford into an e-type Jag body. We put a programmable EFI system in. Made the E a great car. Fast, reliable, and 20 mpg or better. I tried to convince them to use a rotary. That would have been a truly great combination. But they were V8 guys. They didn't even want the EFI, because they didn't understand it.
This space for rent.
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
My wife just gave me the green light on the Visa card (-0- Balance.) So now I'm looking at tv too. I'm still running into the same problem. When they get low enough to buy, they discontinue them, and bring out a more expensive tv with some thing new on it. Now it's the 4k thing. I'm watching for a Father's Day or 4th of July Sale at Best Buy.
BD do what I have always done, that is after learning my lesson buying a top of the line HP45 calculator in 1974 for close to $400.00. next years product will make this years product cheaper. the sweet spot in in TV's right about now is the 1080P 40-42 inch screen. smart or not so smart. do you need 4k? ask yourself how many dvd or blue rays you currently own. there is no 4k broadcast that I know of at the moment. if you had purchased a 42 inch near state of the art HDTV(1080p) last year, or the year before, would you still be happy with it. if the answer is yes, but it now for $200 less. don't buy 720p, look at what you like in a store, and if it's on sale, take it home. We have places that will do a 36 month no interest, deal (P.C. Richards, best buy), you use their store card and pay them every month 1/36th of the price, the interest accrues, but is not due unless you miss a payment. they are like 27% interest. if you can make that payments great, if not they hit you with outrageous interest. just an option an opinion. by the way replacement for that calulater did more and were $200 - $300 less within two years.
My first HP could add, subtract, multiply, divide and do square roots....think it was like $150 or so....
Had one of those HP's to do sq root myself in about 1973-74 and seems like it was $199 or so.
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I have to get off now. Time to fix supper... bbl (maybe)
I could stand to "get off" myself.
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Oh, and while I was paying off the Visa card, here's the tv I've been watching for the past 2 years. I put it on an off channel so you can see the bad pixels better. The blue ones are the bad ones if you can see them.
That's not a bad picture... when is your wife due?
That's a lot of bad pixels.
My wife just gave me the green light on the Visa card (-0- Balance.) So now I'm looking at tv too. I'm still running into the same problem. When they get low enough to buy, they discontinue them, and bring out a more expensive tv with some thing new on it. Now it's the 4k thing. I'm watching for a Father's Day or 4th of July Sale at Best Buy.
BD do what I have always done, that is after learning my lesson buying a top of the line HP45 calculator in 1974 for close to $400.00. next years product will make this years product cheaper. the sweet spot in in TV's right about now is the 1080P 40-42 inch screen. smart or not so smart. do you need 4k? ask yourself how many dvd or blue rays you currently own. there is no 4k broadcast that I know of at the moment. if you had purchased a 42 inch near state of the art HDTV(1080p) last year, or the year before, would you still be happy with it. if the answer is yes, but it now for $200 less. don't buy 720p, look at what you like in a store, and if it's on sale, take it home. We have places that will do a 36 month no interest, deal (P.C. Richards, best buy), you use their store card and pay them every month 1/36th of the price, the interest accrues, but is not due unless you miss a payment. they are like 27% interest. if you can make that payments great, if not they hit you with outrageous interest. just an option an opinion. by the way replacement for that calculater did more and were $200 - $300 less within two years.
My first HP could add, subtract, multiply, divide and do square roots....think it was like $150 or so....
this one was the advanced Scientific, I still l have it somewhere.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
Don't get me started. The problem with the Wankel engine is that it's too good. Smooth, powerful, durable, efficient, forgiving, quiet, simple...you see where this is going. How can you sell new cars every year, and warranties, and service, if the engines last so long and with so little trouble? What are ya, a Commie?
This space for rent.
Too bad Raz is a self starter
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Sheesh! CB must be lurking and killing the banter.
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Club Humidor Exclusive Series Tatuaje "The Rumbo" lit, Sculpin Poured and some Percy Sledge going in the pool.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
Indeed. And that was a great car. The light weight amply made up for the congested breathing of the 302.
But we'd have taken you with that 5.0 Jag. ;-)
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
Don't get me started. The problem with the Wankel engine is that it's too good. Smooth, powerful, durable, efficient, forgiving, quiet, simple...you see where this is going. How can you sell new cars every year, and warranties, and service, if the engines last so long and with so little trouble? What are ya, a Commie?
This space for rent.
Too bad Raz is a self starter
Well, I can't compete with your 10K+ post count. But I do what I can.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
Indeed. And that was a great car. The light weight amply made up for the congested breathing of the 302.
But we'd have taken you with that 5.0 Jag. ;-)
LMFAO
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
Don't get me started. The problem with the Wankel engine is that it's too good. Smooth, powerful, durable, efficient, forgiving, quiet, simple...you see where this is going. How can you sell new cars every year, and warranties, and service, if the engines last so long and with so little trouble? What are ya, a Commie?
This space for rent.
Too bad Raz is a self starter
Well, I can't compete with your 10K+ post count. But I do what I can.
You should get posting credit for sick leave.
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Hmmm, looks like I slipped across the 2.5K threshold and earned myself another star. At least I accomplished something worthwhile this week.
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Club Humidor Exclusive Series Tatuaje "The Rumbo" lit, Sculpin Poured and some Percy Sledge going in the pool.
Draw is a bit tight but otherwise this is a major league cigar, very smooth smoke and a monster at 7-5/8 X 49.
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Hmmm, looks like I slipped across the 2.5K threshold and earned myself another star. At least I accomplished something worthwhile this week.
ya nasty little post whore you! Need to change your caption.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
Indeed. And that was a great car. The light weight amply made up for the congested breathing of the 302.
But we'd have taken you with that 5.0 Jag. ;-)
LMFAO
...cause we'd have been 400 pounds lighter, and we were fuel-injected. ;)
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
Don't get me started. The problem with the Wankel engine is that it's too good. Smooth, powerful, durable, efficient, forgiving, quiet, simple...you see where this is going. How can you sell new cars every year, and warranties, and service, if the engines last so long and with so little trouble? What are ya, a Commie?
This space for rent.
Too bad Raz is a self starter
Well, I can't compete with your 10K+ post count. But I do what I can.
You should get posting credit for sick leave.
Well, if my attorneys decide to sue, and I win, I'll buy a higher post count. Tony can be bribed.
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Hmmm, looks like I slipped across the 2.5K threshold and earned myself another star. At least I accomplished something worthwhile this week.
There you have it.
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Hmmm, looks like I slipped across the 2.5K threshold and earned myself another star. At least I accomplished something worthwhile this week.
ya nasty little post whore you! Need to change your caption.
Keep up, keep up!
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
Indeed. And that was a great car. The light weight amply made up for the congested breathing of the 302.
But we'd have taken you with that 5.0 Jag. ;-)
LMFAO
...cause we'd have been 400 pounds lighter, and we were fuel-injected. ;)
But I had Tourque, Dyno at over 400hp, cowl injection and a Holly 850 CFM which would pump more gas in a second than your commie fuel injection would spray all day, and I am an American.
And I could sure enough burn some rubber off them old wide ovals.
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@ Travellin Dave did you get my PM on Monday?
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@ Travellin Dave did you get my PM on Monday?
Monday? I think a GFY is implied.
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@ Travellin Dave did you get my PM on Monday?
Monday? I think a GFY is implied.
I am not one to imply!
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@ Travellin Dave did you get my PM on Monday?
Yes, I was trying to remember if I had responded...guess not. How about 5?
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
Indeed. And that was a great car. The light weight amply made up for the congested breathing of the 302.
But we'd have taken you with that 5.0 Jag. ;-)
LMFAO
...cause we'd have been 400 pounds lighter, and we were fuel-injected. ;)
But I had Tourque, Dyno at over 400hp, cowl injection and a Holly 850 CFM which would pump more gas in a second than your commie fuel injection would spray all day, and I am an American.
And I could sure enough burn some rubber off them old wide ovals.
You didn't get 400 hp out of a Z-28 with a 302, even with a Holley. So either you had a COPO with a 427, or you're blowing smoke. ;-)
This space for rent.
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@ Travellin Dave did you get my PM on Monday?
Yes, I was trying to remember if I had responded...guess not. How about 5?
Be on the way Monday, we will settle up when you come to Austin.
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Where'd you guys pick up the Las Cavaleras? SmokInn?
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@ Travellin Dave did you get my PM on Monday?
Monday? I think a GFY is implied.
Good call, 4-Star
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
Indeed. And that was a great car. The light weight amply made up for the congested breathing of the 302.
But we'd have taken you with that 5.0 Jag. ;-)
LMFAO
...cause we'd have been 400 pounds lighter, and we were fuel-injected. ;)
But I had Tourque, Dyno at over 400hp, cowl injection and a Holly 850 CFM which would pump more gas in a second than your commie fuel injection would spray all day, and I am an American.
And I could sure enough burn some rubber off them old wide ovals.
You didn't get 400 ft-lbs out of a Z-28 with a 302, even with a Holley. So either you had a COPO with a 427, or you're blowing smoke. ;-)
This space for rent.
No where does it say 400 ft lbs, holly was standard equip but it had a few enhancements. Low end torque was more in the 300 range, no big block torque for sure but it had a 411 gear which helped the bottom end a bit.
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Where'd you guys pick up the Las Cavaleras? SmokInn?
Atlantic Cigars, stock is now dwindling. Not in stock yet at Smoke Inn
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
Indeed. And that was a great car. The light weight amply made up for the congested breathing of the 302.
But we'd have taken you with that 5.0 Jag. ;-)
LMFAO
...cause we'd have been 400 pounds lighter, and we were fuel-injected. ;)
But I had Tourque, Dyno at over 400hp, cowl injection and a Holly 850 CFM which would pump more gas in a second than your commie fuel injection would spray all day, and I am an American.
And I could sure enough burn some rubber off them old wide ovals.
You didn't get 400 ft-lbs out of a Z-28 with a 302, even with a Holley. So either you had a COPO with a 427, or you're blowing smoke. ;-)
This space for rent.
No where does it say 400 ft lbs, holly was standard equip but it had a few enhancements. Low end torque was more in the 300 range, no big block torque for sure but it had a 411 gear which helped the bottom end a bit.
I typo'd the ft-lbs and corrected it, sorry. But at 302 CID (301.6, actually), you're not gonna get 400 hp or 300 ft-lbs of torque. You'd have to punch the engine out to do it. At the very least you'd need serious head work and a blower. That engine stock couldn't breathe well enough to produce those numbers, and your 850 CFM Holley would have been dumping wasted fuel into the engine. So did you have the engine punched out and stroked?
The 427 would get you 425 hp, and 460 ft-lbs out of the box, but that was a corporate special order and those things are rarer than Caitlynn Jenner's ovaries.
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Where'd you guys pick up the Las Cavaleras? SmokInn?
Atlantic Cigars, stock is now dwindling. Not in stock yet at Smoke Inn
Cuenca in the Miami area on Thursday morning and they ran out Thursday afternoon. They are a really nice B&M that ships.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
Indeed. And that was a great car. The light weight amply made up for the congested breathing of the 302.
But we'd have taken you with that 5.0 Jag. ;-)
LMFAO
...cause we'd have been 400 pounds lighter, and we were fuel-injected. ;)
But I had Tourque, Dyno at over 400hp, cowl injection and a Holly 850 CFM which would pump more gas in a second than your commie fuel injection would spray all day, and I am an American.
And I could sure enough burn some rubber off them old wide ovals.
You didn't get 400 ft-lbs out of a Z-28 with a 302, even with a Holley. So either you had a COPO with a 427, or you're blowing smoke. ;-)
This space for rent.
No where does it say 400 ft lbs, holly was standard equip but it had a few enhancements. Low end torque was more in the 300 range, no big block torque for sure but it had a 411 gear which helped the bottom end a bit.
I typo'd the ft-lbs and corrected it, sorry. But at 302 CID (301.6, actually), you're not gonna get 400 hp or 300 ft-lbs of torque. You'd have to punch the engine out to do it. At the very least you'd need serious head work and a blower. That engine stock couldn't breathe well enough to produce those numbers, and your 850 CFM Holley would have been dumping wasted fuel into the engine. So did you have the engine punched out and stroked?
The 427 would get you 425 hp, and 460 ft-lbs out of the box, but that was a corporate special order and those things are rarer than Caitlynn Jenner's ovaries.
Wanna bet, You ever had one? :) Not sure where you are getting your breathing info but never an issue then, also available with factory optional duwal 600 CFM's and neither had any trouble using all they were fed. Mostly Just some Pistons, with manifold and valve work on mine.
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I could use some head work and a blower... just sayin'
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Oy, Oy, Oy!
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I could use some head work and a blower... just sayin'
Amen on both!!!!
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Finally getting outta here. See yuz, maybe later if anyone is still here. Warden is out and my tracking says I get a box from UPS today as well... Celebration!
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Finally getting outta here. See yuz, maybe later if anyone is still here. Warden is out and my tracking says I get a box from UPS today as well... Celebration!
Enjoy your weekend BS
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I could use some head work and a blower... just sayin'
Couldn't we all!
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@ Raz, forget cars this is a much bigger deal. ( Per the GOA)
A rewrite of the State Department’s arms control regulations could potentially grant the State Department a wide-ranging power to monitor and control gun-related speech on the Internet.
The State Department is updating the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) and has amended the existing regs to include “making technical data available via a publicly available network (e.g., the Internet).”
This restriction on Internet “speech” is wholly new language and puts anyone who violates this provision in danger of facing decades in prison (up to 20 years) and massive fines (up to $1 million).
The language is so broad that it could potentially include virtually any gun-related communication of a functional “how to” nature.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
Indeed. And that was a great car. The light weight amply made up for the congested breathing of the 302.
But we'd have taken you with that 5.0 Jag. ;-)
LMFAO
...cause we'd have been 400 pounds lighter, and we were fuel-injected. ;)
But I had Tourque, Dyno at over 400hp, cowl injection and a Holly 850 CFM which would pump more gas in a second than your commie fuel injection would spray all day, and I am an American.
And I could sure enough burn some rubber off them old wide ovals.
You didn't get 400 ft-lbs out of a Z-28 with a 302, even with a Holley. So either you had a COPO with a 427, or you're blowing smoke. ;-)
This space for rent.
No where does it say 400 ft lbs, holly was standard equip but it had a few enhancements. Low end torque was more in the 300 range, no big block torque for sure but it had a 411 gear which helped the bottom end a bit.
I typo'd the ft-lbs and corrected it, sorry. But at 302 CID (301.6, actually), you're not gonna get 400 hp or 300 ft-lbs of torque. You'd have to punch the engine out to do it. At the very least you'd need serious head work and a blower. That engine stock couldn't breathe well enough to produce those numbers, and your 850 CFM Holley would have been dumping wasted fuel into the engine. So did you have the engine punched out and stroked?
The 427 would get you 425 hp, and 460 ft-lbs out of the box, but that was a corporate special order and those things are rarer than Caitlynn Jenner's ovaries.
Wanna bet, You ever had one? Not sure where you are getting your breathing info but never an issue then, also available with factory optional duwal 600 CFM's and neither had any trouble using all they were fed. Mostly Just some Pistons, with manifold and valve work on mine.
The Z-28 was advertised at 290HP@4200rpm. Actual peak output was somewhere around 310HP@6200 rpm, give or take ten horse depending on who you listen to and what the weather was like the day they dyno'd it. That's with the stock 800cfm Holey. The 302 had a 4.00 inch bore. If you ran the dual 600cfm Holleys on the high-rise manifold, and had the heads ported and polished, changed the springs, changed the lifters, you could get 400HP. Without the porting, polishing, and valve work, you can't get enough air through the stock heads to get those numbers, even with the cowl induction. Putting an 850cfm carb on shoots more fuel, but without more air you're just going to spit unburned gasoline out the tail pipe.
But you said pistons, so I'm betting you had it bored out some, and maybe increased the stroke length. That and the porting and polishing could get the 400/300 numbers.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, just talking cars. No, I didn't own a '69 z-28. My uncle had a 68 SS 396 when I was a kid, and that's what made me a Camaro fan. In high school I was too poverty-stricken to build hot rods. But I was good at math, and the guys with the cars found out that if I gave them their numbers, they won the street races. My ultimate achievement was when a friend of mine with a beautiful little 67 Mustang Coupe with a 302 built his engine to my specs and beat the hell out of almost everybody because everybody else was bolting on "power" and was overcarbureted, over-cammed, and drowning their engines.
The only guy he didn't beat was a fellow math-geek friend of mine who was even better at math than I, and his dad got him a Challenger with the 440 six-pack. And that kid figured out how to tune those carbs.
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@ Raz, forget cars this is a much bigger deal. ( Per the GOA)
A rewrite of the State Department’s arms control regulations could potentially grant the State Department a wide-ranging power to monitor and control gun-related speech on the Internet.
The State Department is updating the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) and has amended the existing regs to include “making technical data available via a publicly available network (e.g., the Internet).”
This restriction on Internet “speech” is wholly new language and puts anyone who violates this provision in danger of facing decades in prison (up to 20 years) and massive fines (up to $1 million).
The language is so broad that it could potentially include virtually any gun-related communication of a functional “how to” nature.
Oh shit. They're at it again. I'll look it up.
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Have you considered looking at vehicles a couple years old with low mileage and still under some warranty?
You would probably drop the costs considerably. Most new cars drop in in value significantly after you drive them off the lot, imho, fwiw, no offense, etc, etc. Although, this will inevitably open up a bigger can of worms. ha!
I have also been looking at used cars too (on the internet.) Here's what I've been running into. Used trucks are almost out of the question. They are very expensive and also have allot of mileage. For used cars, it's common to find a 2013 - 2014 with 30,000k to 60,000k and let's say costing $14,000 and up. My wife wants an automatic and air. Basic new Soul with a 10 year 100,000 warrant cost $17,000. So, do I buy a nice used Honda Accord, or pay $3,000 more for a basic new car that hopefully the dealer will repair for the next 10 years. A car with 30k has a risk of some thing being wrong with it, may need new tires, and brakes. Now if I had an old man that lived next to me selling a 3 year old Buick with 12k miles for $13,000 - $14,000 I'd jump on it. It's just very hard for me to decide. Also, I drove 1,000 miles last year on my truck, and my wife drove about 1,000 on her car. A used car with 36k miles represents 18 years of ownership to us. Kinda weird, huh.. :)
Trucks are expensive everywhere. I see old beaters around with $5000 in the window all the time. If it were a car, they'd be lucky to get $500. A good resource for used vehicles is AutoTrader.com. You can filter by many things and get a sense of what's available for a certain price... dealer and private. The new car rebates do make you think, but personally, I think the better deal is in the car a couple years old. Plus, you have more feedback on an older car. The same car made in different years can have different pros and cons.
Years ago it was just standard knowledge that a Chevy 283, 327, Ford 289, 302, Plymounth 318 were good engines, but you don't hear that information much any more. Again, let's use the Kia 2.0L engine.
That "standard knowledge" was mostly bullshit. The Chevy 283 and 327, and every other small-block GM engine up to 1992, are fundamentally the same engine, the difference being the length of the rods, the diameter of the pistons, and the dimensions of the valves. No matter how much "car guys" like to yack about the various displacements of the '60s, GM got it "right" when they got to the 350, and from 1970 to 1992, that was GM's small-block. In 1992 they tweaked it, but even so it is still essentially the engine Ed Cole designed in 1952.
Ditto for the Fords. The 289 and 302 were the same engine, on up to 351 CID. Ford Windsor. The "Cleveland" series was supposed to replace the Windsor, but it didn't. So, from 1962 until 1996, regardless of the various displacements, the engine is fundamentally the same.
Of course, the automakers didn't really want you to pay attention to that, nor do the supercilious hot-rod guys. They want you to believe there's voodoo and they've got it.
Modern cars are the same way. Ford sells two V8's - the 4.6L and the 5.4L. Same block - the Ford Modular. GM calls theirs "Generation IV" or "Vortec" or whatever other nonsensical names they want to apply, but it's the same fundamental engine.
Best engines I ever had were the rotary's in my RX-7s and RX-8.
I had an RX7 back in the day, wonderful car, great engine. Fun as hell to drive.
I had a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with 4 on the flow back in that day and that mother fooker would wankle.
Indeed. And that was a great car. The light weight amply made up for the congested breathing of the 302.
But we'd have taken you with that 5.0 Jag. ;-)
LMFAO
...cause we'd have been 400 pounds lighter, and we were fuel-injected. ;)
But I had Tourque, Dyno at over 400hp, cowl injection and a Holly 850 CFM which would pump more gas in a second than your commie fuel injection would spray all day, and I am an American.
And I could sure enough burn some rubber off them old wide ovals.
You didn't get 400 ft-lbs out of a Z-28 with a 302, even with a Holley. So either you had a COPO with a 427, or you're blowing smoke. ;-)
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No where does it say 400 ft lbs, holly was standard equip but it had a few enhancements. Low end torque was more in the 300 range, no big block torque for sure but it had a 411 gear which helped the bottom end a bit.
I typo'd the ft-lbs and corrected it, sorry. But at 302 CID (301.6, actually), you're not gonna get 400 hp or 300 ft-lbs of torque. You'd have to punch the engine out to do it. At the very least you'd need serious head work and a blower. That engine stock couldn't breathe well enough to produce those numbers, and your 850 CFM Holley would have been dumping wasted fuel into the engine. So did you have the engine punched out and stroked?
The 427 would get you 425 hp, and 460 ft-lbs out of the box, but that was a corporate special order and those things are rarer than Caitlynn Jenner's ovaries.
Wanna bet, You ever had one? Not sure where you are getting your breathing info but never an issue then, also available with factory optional duwal 600 CFM's and neither had any trouble using all they were fed. Mostly Just some Pistons, with manifold and valve work on mine.
The Z-28 was advertised at 290HP@4200rpm. Actual peak output was somewhere around 310HP@6200 rpm, give or take ten horse depending on who you listen to and what the weather was like the day they dyno'd it. That's with the stock 800cfm Holey. The 302 had a 4.00 inch bore. If you ran the dual 600cfm Holleys on the high-rise manifold, and had the heads ported and polished, changed the springs, changed the lifters, you could get 400HP. Without the porting, polishing, and valve work, you can't get enough air through the stock heads to get those numbers, even with the cowl induction. Putting an 850cfm carb on shoots more fuel, but without more air you're just going to spit unburned gasoline out the tail pipe.
But you said pistons, so I'm betting you had it bored out some, and maybe increased the stroke length. That and the porting and polishing could get the 400/300 numbers.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, just talking cars. No, I didn't own a '69 z-28. My uncle had a 68 SS 396 when I was a kid, and that's what made me a Camaro fan. In high school I was too poverty-stricken to build hot rods. But I was good at math, and the guys with the cars found out that if I gave them their numbers, they won the street races. My ultimate achievement was when a friend of mine with a beautiful little 67 Mustang Coupe with a 302 built his engine to my specs and beat the hell out of almost everybody because everybody else was bolting on "power" and was overcarbureted, over-cammed, and drowning their engines.
The only guy he didn't beat was a fellow math-geek friend of mine who was even better at math than I, and his dad got him a Challenger with the 440 six-pack. And that kid figured out how to tune those carbs.
Nothing near stock I ever saw faster than a 440 6 pak except a 426 Hemi
No stroke just porting, polishing, increase compression to around 12 with pistons and head work, headers, valves and lifters and a manifold. My memory was 850 but could have been 800 that was in 1969. It was on a Dyno after and low 400's in hp. Also very widely known that 290 HP was a factory "rating" for insurance purposes and reality was close to 100 more. Car stickered for +\- $3900 brand new. Rally Green with black stripes and black interior, just wish it was in the garage now.
LOL you were 4 years old when I got that car.
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I got a brown box today also!!!!! Mine had ammo in it to smoke.
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Club Humidor Exclusive Series Tatuaje "The Rumbo" lit, Sculpin Poured and some Percy Sledge going in the pool.
Draw is a bit tight but otherwise this is a major league cigar, very smooth smoke and a monster at 7-5/8 X 49.
Get your money's worth out of them, smoked that cigar for about 2 hours and 15 minutes. Probably a new record for me. Draw eased up some about half way.
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Having a fish fry here got to get to cooking.
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Nothing near stock I ever saw faster than a 440 6 pak except a 426 Hemi
No stroke just porting, polishing, increase compression to around 12 with pistons and head work, headers, valves and lifters and a manifold. My memory was 850 but could have been 800 that was in 1969. It was on a Dyno after and low 400's in hp. Also very widely known that 290 HP was a factory "rating" for insurance purposes and reality was close to 100 more. Car stickered for +\- $3900 brand new. Rally Green with black stripes and black interior, just wish it was in the garage now.
LOL you were 4 years old when I got that car.
And to be clear, even at the stock 310HP or so, the Z-28 was a potent car. But yeah - you'd obviously done your homework to have those heads worked. Heads aren't sexy, but they're the real lungs of the engine, and where the real power is made.
The Mopars were the real power in the 60's. Most people now think Chevys and Fords owned the muscle car era, but that's only because of Bill France and NASCAR. NASCAR started with Fords, but in the 50's France made a concerted effort to get Chevy into the fold because of the brilliance of the small-block Chevy engine. Smokey Yanuck was the wizard, and that led to the proliferation of speed accessories and knowledge for the small-block Chev. But Chrysler owned the drag strips.
A friend of mine in high school borrowed a '66 Polara with a 440 from his aunt for the high school drags our junior year. He and I rebuilt the heads and did a primitive port and polish on it, rebuilt the carb, installed air shocks, put cut-outs on the exhaust and took it to the drags. We duct-taped bags of dry ice to the manifold and air cleaner housing to try and increase the air density. People laughed at us, but it was bracket racing and we damned near won the whole shootin' match without ever actually crossing the finish line first - and we scared the hell out of a few guys in sexy muscle cars who we almost beat to the line.
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I got a brown box today also!!!!! Mine had ammo in it to smoke.
Remember not to cut those when you smoke 'em.
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Nothing near stock I ever saw faster than a 440 6 pak except a 426 Hemi
No stroke just porting, polishing, increase compression to around 12 with pistons and head work, headers, valves and lifters and a manifold. My memory was 850 but could have been 800 that was in 1969. It was on a Dyno after and low 400's in hp. Also very widely known that 290 HP was a factory "rating" for insurance purposes and reality was close to 100 more. Car stickered for +\- $3900 brand new. Rally Green with black stripes and black interior, just wish it was in the garage now.
LOL you were 4 years old when I got that car.
And to be clear, even at the stock 310HP or so, the Z-28 was a potent car. But yeah - you'd obviously done your homework to have those heads worked. Heads aren't sexy, but they're the real lungs of the engine, and where the real power is made.
The Mopars were the real power in the 60's. Most people now think Chevys and Fords owned the muscle car era, but that's only because of Bill France and NASCAR. NASCAR started with Fords, but in the 50's France made a concerted effort to get Chevy into the fold because of the brilliance of the small-block Chevy engine. Smokey Yanuck was the wizard, and that led to the proliferation of speed accessories and knowledge for the small-block Chev. But Chrysler owned the drag strips.
A friend of mine in high school borrowed a '66 Polara with a 440 from his aunt for the high school drags our junior year. He and I rebuilt the heads and did a primitive port and polish on it, rebuilt the carb, installed air shocks, put cut-outs on the exhaust and took it to the drags. We duct-taped bags of dry ice to the manifold and air cleaner housing to try and increase the air density. People laughed at us, but it was bracket racing and we damned near won the whole shootin' match without ever actually crossing the finish line first - and we scared the hell out of a few guys in sexy muscle cars who we almost beat to the line.
My roommate in college (RIP Bill, he passed away about 18 months ago) had a Buick GS Stage I 455 and it was a bad MF but could not run with a 426 Hemi of which there were damn few to run. Motor would not stay together though, liked throw rods.
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I got a brown box today also!!!!! Mine had ammo in it to smoke.
Remember not to cut those when you smoke 'em.
Good suggestion, I will just light them whole.
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Jeez, you guys... Writing a book? Looks like Muscle Car Monthly in here. Haha.. Sweet!
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Nothing near stock I ever saw faster than a 440 6 pak except a 426 Hemi
No stroke just porting, polishing, increase compression to around 12 with pistons and head work, headers, valves and lifters and a manifold. My memory was 850 but could have been 800 that was in 1969. It was on a Dyno after and low 400's in hp. Also very widely known that 290 HP was a factory "rating" for insurance purposes and reality was close to 100 more. Car stickered for +\- $3900 brand new. Rally Green with black stripes and black interior, just wish it was in the garage now.
LOL you were 4 years old when I got that car.
And to be clear, even at the stock 310HP or so, the Z-28 was a potent car. But yeah - you'd obviously done your homework to have those heads worked. Heads aren't sexy, but they're the real lungs of the engine, and where the real power is made.
The Mopars were the real power in the 60's. Most people now think Chevys and Fords owned the muscle car era, but that's only because of Bill France and NASCAR. NASCAR started with Fords, but in the 50's France made a concerted effort to get Chevy into the fold because of the brilliance of the small-block Chevy engine. Smokey Yanuck was the wizard, and that led to the proliferation of speed accessories and knowledge for the small-block Chev. But Chrysler owned the drag strips.
A friend of mine in high school borrowed a '66 Polara with a 440 from his aunt for the high school drags our junior year. He and I rebuilt the heads and did a primitive port and polish on it, rebuilt the carb, installed air shocks, put cut-outs on the exhaust and took it to the drags. We duct-taped bags of dry ice to the manifold and air cleaner housing to try and increase the air density. People laughed at us, but it was bracket racing and we damned near won the whole shootin' match without ever actually crossing the finish line first - and we scared the hell out of a few guys in sexy muscle cars who we almost beat to the line.
My roommate in college (RIP Bill, he passed away about 18 months ago) had a Buick GS Stage I 455 and it was a bad MF but could not run with a 426 Hemi of which there were damn few to run. Motor would not stay together though, liked throw rods.
Yes they did. Two-bolt caps on the bottom end. Achilles heel. If you pumped up the compression without paying attention to the bottom end, simply decelerating too quickly could grenade the engine. Friend of mine had one in high school, and did exactly that.
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Jeez, you guys... Writing a book? Looks like Muscle Car Monthly in here. Haha.. Sweet!
Well, y'know what they say...if you get two car guys together, you'll get three opinions.
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PF and a Left Hand Nitro... Much better now.
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Jeez, you guys... Writing a book? Looks like Muscle Car Monthly in here. Haha.. Sweet!
Well, y'know what they say...if you get two car guys together, you'll get three opinions.
...and as I said, I couldn't afford hot rods in high school. So from the time I was in middle school I read Car Craft and Hot Rod like they were holy writ and lived vicariously through others.
My grandfather owned to Union 76 stations in LA after the war, before he turned to real estate. But he made sure I could identify everything under the hood by the time I was three, and I was spinning wrenches by the time I was in kindergarten.
I still haven't done a car project for myself. Did a couple of trucks, a '73 Ford with a Y-block that my brother begged for and I traded it to him for his '72 GMC and a dirt bike. I had the '72 ready for body work and paint, everything mechanical was brand new. Not really hot-rodded, just warmed up a little and with a turbo 350 and a 3.73 posi rear. Highway truck. Then a tree fell on it during a windstorm. Broke my heart. Now I'm just doing my Harley.
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Total waste of a day at work. Everybody I'm dependent on at the moment was out of the office. At least I got to banter.
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Time to shut down and catch the vanpool. Catch y'all from the road, if I don't fall asleep.
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This is sort of long, but I thought the part where the girl and guy test drive the 2015 VW Golf GTI was sort of cute. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGihDlIE4Mc
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PF and a Left Hand Nitro... Much better now.
Insist on talking cigars do you?
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Total waste of a day at work. Everybody I'm dependent on at the moment was out of the office. At least I got to banter.
You should take the JWacky approach to work.... if they're not there, then you don't have to be either.
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Total waste of a day at work. Everybody I'm dependent on at the moment was out of the office. At least I got to banter.
You should take the JWacky approach to work.... if they're not there, then you don't have to be either.
I always felt that if no one else was there, I must be in charge...!
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I'm heading out. Later everyone..!