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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #300 on: April 27, 2015, 06:22:49 PM »

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.


You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.
Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.
Shit I did not know we had to have a reason.  Glock 31 because it carries a devastating punch without brutal recoil and holds 15 rounds.
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #301 on: April 27, 2015, 06:23:58 PM »

I believe I will go my azz home and light a cigar on the freshly exterminated patio.  Beautiful day here and about 80 degrees.
Damn good plan!

I love it when a plan comes together.



And here I am plan fully implemented with CyB lit
Gun question on the table, needing your 2 cents.
Well here it is, but first I must say I don't like reversible belts cause they look like chit on both sides and one gun to do all falls in that category. 

Yes, but forcing it to three makes for an interesting challenge.  Since I can't have an appropriate gun for every purpose, how do I compromise?


But using generalities here it is.

Auto Handgun:  Glock 31 or 33 (.357 Sig) Or FNX .45 ACP
Large Revolver:  S &W model 627. (.357 Magnum)
Shotgun:   Hunting.  Benelli Super Black Eagle II
                 Self Defense:  FN or Benelli.   870 or Mossberg 500 are a good lower cost option though.
Hunting Rifle:    Remington 700 BDL in appropriate caliber for game
But you bent the rules of the game.  Only one handgun allowed.  Is it a revolver, or a semi-auto?
Semi Auto without a doubt
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #302 on: April 27, 2015, 06:27:35 PM »

I believe I will go my azz home and light a cigar on the freshly exterminated patio.  Beautiful day here and about 80 degrees.
Damn good plan!

I love it when a plan comes together.



And here I am plan fully implemented with CyB lit
Gun question on the table, needing your 2 cents.
Well here it is, but first I must say I don't like reversible belts cause they look like chit on both sides and one gun to do all falls in that category. 

Yes, but forcing it to three makes for an interesting challenge.  Since I can't have an appropriate gun for every purpose, how do I compromise?


But using generalities here it is.

Auto Handgun:  Glock 31 or 33 (.357 Sig) Or FNX .45 ACP
Large Revolver:  S &W model 627. (.357 Magnum)
Shotgun:   Hunting.  Benelli Super Black Eagle II
                 Self Defense:  FN or Benelli.   870 or Mossberg 500 are a good lower cost option though.
Hunting Rifle:    Remington 700 BDL in appropriate caliber for game
But you bent the rules of the game.  Only one handgun allowed.  Is it a revolver, or a semi-auto?
Semi Auto without a doubt
Also he did not ask about ammo but selecting the right ammo is essential for performance regardless of caliber.
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #303 on: April 27, 2015, 06:32:43 PM »

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.


You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.
Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.
But you have to consider that against my squad-tactics statement.  Just because there's a group of people rioting or marauding doesn't make them a militia-type threat.  Start shooting and there is a good chance that they'll break ranks and run for cover, unless they've been trained otherwise. 

There is no way to make one handgun, one rifle, and one shotgun an all-scenario perfect solution.  You have to compromise and you have to consider the likely threat scenario, your own abilities, and your personal tactics and strategy.  A military-style rifle is designed for use by trained groups to respond against trained groups.  But if the likelihood of going up against some sort of paramilitary gang is less than the likelihood of dealing with a couple of bad guys or a starving small mob, then a bolt-action rifle and my own training and practice will likely get me through and still allow me to hunt up plenty of meat.

But if I was stuck in an urban environment, where the likeliest scenario is getting ambushed by an unruly mob, and the only game around is stray pets and coyotes, then I want a smaller-caliber weapon that can hold lots of cartridges.  That's when a military-style rifle becomes a better choice than a hunting-rifle.

In my opinion, of course.
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #304 on: April 27, 2015, 06:34:09 PM »

Me, give me something belt fed.  Just choot 'em!
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #305 on: April 27, 2015, 06:35:34 PM »

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.


You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.
Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.
Problem is the police are so afraid of doing anything.  If they were to just take down 3-4 of the arrogant ringleaders, preferably wearing colors, the mass nonsense would stop.  As it is the real problem element knows they can destroy cars, shops and no one will do anything.
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #306 on: April 27, 2015, 06:36:09 PM »

Me, give me something belt fed.  Just choot 'em!
Really tough to hunt game with.  Afternoon, Mikey.
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #307 on: April 27, 2015, 06:37:34 PM »

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.


You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.
Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.
Shit I did not know we had to have a reason.  Glock 31 because it carries a devastating punch without brutal recoil and holds 15 rounds.
Fired a Desert Eagle for the first time two weeks ago.  I was amazed at the lack of recoil.
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #308 on: April 27, 2015, 06:38:35 PM »

I believe I will go my azz home and light a cigar on the freshly exterminated patio.  Beautiful day here and about 80 degrees.
Damn good plan!

I love it when a plan comes together.



And here I am plan fully implemented with CyB lit
Gun question on the table, needing your 2 cents.
Well here it is, but first I must say I don't like reversible belts cause they look like chit on both sides and one gun to do all falls in that category. 

But using generalities here it is.

Auto Handgun:  Glock 31 or 33 (.357 Sig) Or FNX .45 ACP
Large Revolver:  S &W model 627. (.357 Magnum)
Shotgun:   Hunting.  Benelli Super Black Eagle II
                 Self Defense:  FN or Benelli.   870 or Mossberg 500 are a good lower cost option though.
Hunting Rifle:    Remington 700 BDL in appropriate caliber for game
  Thanks, TR!!!
If going to Baltimore tonight better have one of each with you and lots of ammo they are tearing the place up.  7 cops sent to the hospital already
Well, as my daughter lives in B'more...
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #309 on: April 27, 2015, 06:38:57 PM »

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.


You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.
Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.
Shit I did not know we had to have a reason.  Glock 31 because it carries a devastating punch without brutal recoil and holds 15 rounds.
Fired a Desert Eagle for the first time two weeks ago.  I was amazed at the lack of recoil.
In .50 AE?
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #310 on: April 27, 2015, 06:48:50 PM »

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.


You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.
Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.
Problem is the police are so afraid of doing anything.  If they were to just take down 3-4 of the arrogant ringleaders, preferably wearing colors, the mass nonsense would stop.  As it is the real problem element knows they can destroy cars, shops and no one will do anything.
Dave, you are so radical!  Show some empathy
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #311 on: April 27, 2015, 06:50:53 PM »

I believe I will go my azz home and light a cigar on the freshly exterminated patio.  Beautiful day here and about 80 degrees.
Damn good plan!

I love it when a plan comes together.



And here I am plan fully implemented with CyB lit
Gun question on the table, needing your 2 cents.
Well here it is, but first I must say I don't like reversible belts cause they look like chit on both sides and one gun to do all falls in that category. 

But using generalities here it is.

Auto Handgun:  Glock 31 or 33 (.357 Sig) Or FNX .45 ACP
Large Revolver:  S &W model 627. (.357 Magnum)
Shotgun:   Hunting.  Benelli Super Black Eagle II
                 Self Defense:  FN or Benelli.   870 or Mossberg 500 are a good lower cost option though.
Hunting Rifle:    Remington 700 BDL in appropriate caliber for game
  Thanks, TR!!!
If going to Baltimore tonight better have one of each with you and lots of ammo they are tearing the place up.  7 cops sent to the hospital already
Well, as my daughter lives in B'more...
Good time for her to come visit Pops.  Hope she is far away from the area of town where this is going on.  Watching it on tv and cops are literally doing nothing but watching
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #312 on: April 27, 2015, 06:53:16 PM »

Me, give me something belt fed.  Just choot 'em!
Really tough to hunt game with.  Afternoon, Mikey.
Does ruin a bit of meat.  Afternoon Raz.
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #313 on: April 27, 2015, 06:53:34 PM »

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.


You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.
Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.
Shit I did not know we had to have a reason.  Glock 31 because it carries a devastating punch without brutal recoil and holds 15 rounds.
Fired a Desert Eagle for the first time two weeks ago.  I was amazed at the lack of recoil.
What Caliber, I shot a .44 one and not bad but would like to try a .50AE for the hell of it.
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Re: 4/27/2015
« Reply #314 on: April 27, 2015, 06:54:24 PM »

Sheesh, just the words Mon and Santo killed the damn banter.
LOL!
Gunbuyer.com has Colt A4 Flat Dark Earth mid lenght 20" for $869 with FS, that is not bad for a little higher quality AR.

Tombstone Tactical has DPMS for $731 Free Shipping

Kentucky Gun has Bushmaster A3 superlight carbine $619 Free Shipping but those bastiges charge 3% for using a CC, otherwise they are good.

Like the Colt for a 15. Actually, started looking for a .308. If money were no consideration, AR-10 SuperSass  8)
Lots of .308 choices now in AR platforms.     I actually own a new-in-the-box  HK-91 I bought  back in the day, 1984 to be exact.
I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.
Well, I don't own and haven't shot a rifle in a long time, but let me vote on the other two.  For Shotgun, either the Remington 870 or Mossberg 500, (I went with the Remington), for pistol I like Glock 17, Springfield XDm and FNS.  My choice is the FNS
  Thanks, TDave!  Good info.  These suggestions are reminding me of pieces that have been mentioned in the past.
Funny just got an email special on FNS pistols from Palmetto State Armory.
Nice ... good deal?
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