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[SLY]

I believe I will go my azz home and light a cigar on the freshly exterminated patio.  Beautiful day here and about 80 degrees.

Damn good plan!

I love it when a plan comes together.

And here I am plan fully implemented with CyB lit

Gun question on the table, needing your 2 cents.

Well here it is, but first I must say I don't like reversible belts cause they look like chit on both sides and one gun to do all falls in that category. 

But using generalities here it is.

Auto Handgun:  Glock 31 or 33 (.357 Sig) Or FNX .45 ACP
Large Revolver:  S &W model 627. (.357 Magnum)
Shotgun:   Hunting.  Benelli Super Black Eagle II
                 Self Defense:  FN or Benelli.   870 or Mossberg 500 are a good lower cost option though.
Hunting Rifle:    Remington 700 BDL in appropriate caliber for game

  Thanks, TR!!!

If going to Baltimore tonight better have one of each with you and lots of ammo they are tearing the place up.  7 cops sent to the hospital already

The coverage continues with intensity ... how about a concealed carry flamethrower or roach killer?

[South Carolina Redfish]

Sheesh, just the words Mon and Santo killed the damn banter.

LOL!

Gunbuyer.com has Colt A4 Flat Dark Earth mid lenght 20" for $869 with FS, that is not bad for a little higher quality AR.

Tombstone Tactical has DPMS for $731 Free Shipping

Kentucky Gun has Bushmaster A3 superlight carbine $619 Free Shipping but those bastiges charge 3% for using a CC, otherwise they are good.

Like the Colt for a 15. Actually, started looking for a .308. If money were no consideration, AR-10 SuperSass 

Lots of .308 choices now in AR platforms.     I actually own a new-in-the-box  HK-91 I bought  back in the day, 1984 to be exact.

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.

Well, I don't own and haven't shot a rifle in a long time, but let me vote on the other two.  For Shotgun, either the Remington 870 or Mossberg 500, (I went with the Remington), for pistol I like Glock 17, Springfield XDm and FNS.  My choice is the FNS

  Thanks, TDave!  Good info.  These suggestions are reminding me of pieces that have been mentioned in the past.

Funny just got an email special on FNS pistols from Palmetto State Armory.

Nice ... good deal?

$370 for black & $420 for Stainless and yes that is a good deal.

[Travellin Dave]

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.

You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.

Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.

Shit I did not know we had to have a reason.  Glock 31 because it carries a devastating punch without brutal recoil and holds 15 rounds.

Fired a Desert Eagle for the first time two weeks ago.  I was amazed at the lack of recoil.

In .50 AE?

That's the one.  $1 a shell....

[razgueado]

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.

You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.

Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.

Shit I did not know we had to have a reason.  Glock 31 because it carries a devastating punch without brutal recoil and holds 15 rounds.

Fired a Desert Eagle for the first time two weeks ago.  I was amazed at the lack of recoil.

What Caliber, I shot a .44 one and not bad but would like to try a .50AE for the hell of it.

I've shot the .50AE and the recoil is quite significant, so either TD is more he-man than I am (quite possible, as I'm 5'8" and 150 lbs soaking wet) or it was one of the lesser calibers.  But the Desert Eagle does absorb a lot of recoil.  It's heavy, long barreled, and has a mechanically demanding action.  It's far less punishing to shoot a .50AE Desert Eagle than, say, a Ruger Alaskan in .454.  The Alaskan will about take your hand off if you aren't minding your P's and Q's when you fire it.

[razgueado]

I believe I will go my azz home and light a cigar on the freshly exterminated patio.  Beautiful day here and about 80 degrees.

Damn good plan!

I love it when a plan comes together.

And here I am plan fully implemented with CyB lit

Gun question on the table, needing your 2 cents.

Well here it is, but first I must say I don't like reversible belts cause they look like chit on both sides and one gun to do all falls in that category. 

But using generalities here it is.

Auto Handgun:  Glock 31 or 33 (.357 Sig) Or FNX .45 ACP
Large Revolver:  S &W model 627. (.357 Magnum)
Shotgun:   Hunting.  Benelli Super Black Eagle II
                 Self Defense:  FN or Benelli.   870 or Mossberg 500 are a good lower cost option though.
Hunting Rifle:    Remington 700 BDL in appropriate caliber for game

  Thanks, TR!!!

If going to Baltimore tonight better have one of each with you and lots of ammo they are tearing the place up.  7 cops sent to the hospital already

The coverage continues with intensity ... how about a concealed carry flamethrower or roach killer?

You said it right there - a can of roach spray and a butane lighter = instant concealable flamethrower.  Wasp-killer spray works even better, as it's designed to shoot 12 feet.

[South Carolina Redfish]

I believe I will go my azz home and light a cigar on the freshly exterminated patio.  Beautiful day here and about 80 degrees.

Damn good plan!

I love it when a plan comes together.

And here I am plan fully implemented with CyB lit

Gun question on the table, needing your 2 cents.

Well here it is, but first I must say I don't like reversible belts cause they look like chit on both sides and one gun to do all falls in that category. 

But using generalities here it is.

Auto Handgun:  Glock 31 or 33 (.357 Sig) Or FNX .45 ACP
Large Revolver:  S &W model 627. (.357 Magnum)
Shotgun:   Hunting.  Benelli Super Black Eagle II
                 Self Defense:  FN or Benelli.   870 or Mossberg 500 are a good lower cost option though.
Hunting Rifle:    Remington 700 BDL in appropriate caliber for game

  Thanks, TR!!!

If going to Baltimore tonight better have one of each with you and lots of ammo they are tearing the place up.  7 cops sent to the hospital already

The coverage continues with intensity ... how about a concealed carry flamethrower or roach killer?

You said it right there - a can of roach spray and a butane lighter = instant concealable flamethrower.  Wasp-killer spray works even better, as it's designed to shoot 12 feet.

Yeah that jet stream wasp spray is bad ass stuff, also jet stream brake cleaner is very similar.

[South Carolina Redfish]

Cancelled the Orioles game tonight

[Travellin Dave]

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.

You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.

Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.

Problem is the police are so afraid of doing anything.  If they were to just take down 3-4 of the arrogant ringleaders, preferably wearing colors, the mass nonsense would stop.  As it is the real problem element knows they can destroy cars, shops and no one will do anything.

Dave, you are so radical!  Show some empathy

I am....I backed down from one or two dozen before posting.

[razgueado]

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.

You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.

Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.

Shit I did not know we had to have a reason.  Glock 31 because it carries a devastating punch without brutal recoil and holds 15 rounds.

Fired a Desert Eagle for the first time two weeks ago.  I was amazed at the lack of recoil.

In .50 AE?

That's the one.  $1 a shell....

A buck a shot would be a killer deal on .50 AE.  Usually stays north of $1.50 per, and in your local retail store will be more like $1.75 per. 

Three times in life I've come within inches of buying a .50 AE Desert Eagle, most recently about three weeks ago.  They're fun and they're sexy...just not terribly practical. 

Friend of mine bought a .45-70 revolver recently.  I asked him if he was headed for Alaska.  Nope.   

Then why?

"Just because I can."

Hard to fault that logic. 

[South Carolina Redfish]

Watching it on tv and this shit is wild, better than Watts and not even dark yet.

[Travellin Dave]

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.

You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.

Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.

Shit I did not know we had to have a reason.  Glock 31 because it carries a devastating punch without brutal recoil and holds 15 rounds.

Fired a Desert Eagle for the first time two weeks ago.  I was amazed at the lack of recoil.

What Caliber, I shot a .44 one and not bad but would like to try a .50AE for the hell of it.

I've shot the .50AE and the recoil is quite significant, so either TD is more he-man than I am (quite possible, as I'm 5'8" and 150 lbs soaking wet) or it was one of the lesser calibers.  But the Desert Eagle does absorb a lot of recoil.  It's heavy, long barreled, and has a mechanically demanding action.  It's far less punishing to shoot a .50AE Desert Eagle than, say, a Ruger Alaskan in .454.  The Alaskan will about take your hand off if you aren't minding your P's and Q's when you fire it.

The interesting thing is that the recoil was straight back without any push upwards.  Much easier to absorb and no gun movement.

[South Carolina Redfish]

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.

You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.

Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.

Problem is the police are so afraid of doing anything.  If they were to just take down 3-4 of the arrogant ringleaders, preferably wearing colors, the mass nonsense would stop.  As it is the real problem element knows they can destroy cars, shops and no one will do anything.

Dave, you are so radical!  Show some empathy

I am....I backed down from one or two dozen before posting.

LOL I have restrained myself several times as I watch it on TV.  Lock & Load Monday on Sportsman Channel hard to decide what to watch.

[SLY]

I believe I will go my azz home and light a cigar on the freshly exterminated patio.  Beautiful day here and about 80 degrees.

Damn good plan!

I love it when a plan comes together.

And here I am plan fully implemented with CyB lit

Gun question on the table, needing your 2 cents.

Well here it is, but first I must say I don't like reversible belts cause they look like chit on both sides and one gun to do all falls in that category. 

But using generalities here it is.

Auto Handgun:  Glock 31 or 33 (.357 Sig) Or FNX .45 ACP
Large Revolver:  S &W model 627. (.357 Magnum)
Shotgun:   Hunting.  Benelli Super Black Eagle II
                 Self Defense:  FN or Benelli.   870 or Mossberg 500 are a good lower cost option though.
Hunting Rifle:    Remington 700 BDL in appropriate caliber for game

  Thanks, TR!!!

If going to Baltimore tonight better have one of each with you and lots of ammo they are tearing the place up.  7 cops sent to the hospital already

The coverage continues with intensity ... how about a concealed carry flamethrower or roach killer?

You said it right there - a can of roach spray and a butane lighter = instant concealable flamethrower.  Wasp-killer spray works even better, as it's designed to shoot 12 feet.

Wow, there you go ... I have experience with both, just not together, though when I was a kid I used to do that with a match and Right Guard deoderant, but didn't have the distance that the wasp spray would provide.  Which reminds me, I need to refill my lighter which went dry yesterday.    Going to do that and maybe head out to hopefully watch the Caps beat the Islanders and move past the first round for the first time in awhile!
Thanks for all of the interesting comments and discussion gents.  In the back of my mind, under value/price, I was thinking of the cost and availability of

[Travellin Dave]

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.

You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.

Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.

Shit I did not know we had to have a reason.  Glock 31 because it carries a devastating punch without brutal recoil and holds 15 rounds.

Fired a Desert Eagle for the first time two weeks ago.  I was amazed at the lack of recoil.

In .50 AE?

That's the one.  $1 a shell....

A buck a shot would be a killer deal on .50 AE.  Usually stays north of $1.50 per, and in your local retail store will be more like $1.75 per. 

Three times in life I've come within inches of buying a .50 AE Desert Eagle, most recently about three weeks ago.  They're fun and they're sexy...just not terribly practical. 

Friend of mine bought a .45-70 revolver recently.  I asked him if he was headed for Alaska.  Nope.   

Then why?

"Just because I can."

Hard to fault that logic.

I'm sure they have most of the ammo repacked at  the range, so that might be part of the reason.  Fun place to go as they have about anything you might want to fire for rent....very reasonable, but it's the ammo that gets you.

[South Carolina Redfish]

I'd like all the banter brothers to weigh in if you care to share your knowledge and experience.  If you had to choose only one of each, one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun for one's personal safety and hunting which 3 would you choose, keeping in mind value/price, reliability, ease of use, maintainence & security.  Of interest also would be a decent number of rounds that it can hold without reloading and shooting long guns off of left shoulder.  (right handed but opposite eye dominant), or so I've been told.

You didn't specifically mention a SHTF type of global or national catastrophe, but given that I live in earthquake and volcano country I have to consider the possibility.  So if I only get three:

Handgun: Glock 17 (9mm)
Rifle: Remington 700 in .308 NATO
Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg 12 gauge.

Simple reasoning: These are all at or near the top of the list of most popular weapons of all time, especially among law enforcement and military.  So ammo, parts, and accessories would be easy to scrounge, steal, or seize.  I don't include a military-style rifle (AR, AK, or the like) because:

A)  They are not great hunting rifles, and the rounds for which they are most commonly chambered are not great hunting rounds
B)  They are designed to be most effective in support of squad-based tactics, not individual self defense
C)  They require careful maintenance to remain operable.
D)  I don't believe that in a SHTF scenario the general populace will suddenly become battle-hardened and competent at squad tactics.  So I can deal with the likely threat scenarios nearly as effectively with a .308 bolt-action and the shotgun as I could with a semi-auto military-style rifle, and still bring down about any size dinner-on-the-hoof.

But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group.

Of course, if Mt. Rainier goes up, it's an academic discussion for me, because I'd be vaporized in about 8 seconds.

If you believe the likeliest threat scenario is personal or property crime, then go for the Glock 22 (.40 S&W) for a handgun and make the shotgun a short-barrel. 

If you believe you'll be stuck in an urban environment, make the rifle an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO.

Yes, I know you can get AR's in .308, but if it breaks and the power is out you'll have difficulty sourcing parts.

You'll notice I don't include any compact or sub-compact weapons.  If I can only have one, it has to be full-sized.  Compact weapons only have value in a relatively ordered society.

Thanks, Raz, for your input, especially for including your reasoning ... because that helps ...
very interesting that you said, " But if you let me have four weapons instead of three, then I'd want to add an Armalite-style rifle in 5.56 NATO, just for dealing with the possibility of being surprised by a marauding group." because that's exactly what's going on only 40 miles to the north of us, and has non-stop local news coverage going on ... they aren't even stopping for commercial breaks ... no other coverage, just this with news copter footage.  Before I was aware of what was going on, I spoke with my North Baltimore, CiL, about our CFest plans, smokes we've had over the weekend (FWIW, he liked the Nica Libre 25th Anniversary torpedo that I sent him), and an upcoming cigar dinner.  This stuff hadn't really broken out yet at that time.

Shit I did not know we had to have a reason.  Glock 31 because it carries a devastating punch without brutal recoil and holds 15 rounds.

Fired a Desert Eagle for the first time two weeks ago.  I was amazed at the lack of recoil.

In .50 AE?

That's the one.  $1 a shell....

A buck a shot would be a killer deal on .50 AE.  Usually stays north of $1.50 per, and in your local retail store will be more like $1.75 per. 

Three times in life I've come within inches of buying a .50 AE Desert Eagle, most recently about three weeks ago.  They're fun and they're sexy...just not terribly practical. 

Friend of mine bought a .45-70 revolver recently.  I asked him if he was headed for Alaska.  Nope.   

Then why?

"Just because I can."

Hard to fault that logic.

I'm sure they have most of the ammo repacked at  the range, so that might be part of the reason.  Fun place to go as they have about anything you might want to fire for rent....very reasonable, but it's the ammo that gets you.

That in GA?