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[Travellin Dave]

@NJDave & Joe-any chance of a Sunday herf(May 10th)? What days look best for you guys?

Sundays are usually pretty brutal for me, as are Wednesdays. I'll know my May class schedule in the next day or two so I'll get back to you. What days are you out here?

AND it's Mothers Day.  You have other duties!

[LuvTooGolf]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

Take out suicide, and cars win hands down.

Why would you take out suicide?

Because suicide rates remain stable regardless of gun availability or control. The rate doesn't diminish or surge if you increase or decrease the availability of guns. So it's an irrelevant statistic to the discussion.

What does suicide using a gun count for?

Socialism, I think.

[jswaykos]

@NJDave & Joe-any chance of a Sunday herf(May 10th)? What days look best for you guys?

I don't get in until late Sunday.  Good Mon-Wed. evenings (11th to 13th).  As you know from previous discussion, Tuesday evenings are usually best for JWacky.

Usually, yes. Either Monday or Tuesday almost always works. I will have a better answer by the end of the week.

[jswaykos]

@NJDave & Joe-any chance of a Sunday herf(May 10th)? What days look best for you guys?

Sundays are usually pretty brutal for me, as are Wednesdays. I'll know my May class schedule in the next day or two so I'll get back to you. What days are you out here?

AND it's Mothers Day.  You have other duties!

Oh, right, totally remembered that and was just about to say that's why that Sunday won't work.

[South Carolina Redfish]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

Take out suicide, and cars win hands down.

Why would you take out suicide?

Because suicide rates remain stable regardless of gun availability or control. The rate doesn't diminish or surge if you increase or decrease the availability of guns. So it's an irrelevant statistic to the discussion.

The discussion was gun deaths v. car deaths. You can't just take out parts of that anymore than you would take out car deaths due to malfunction. That's when you start manipulating stats just to backup your own view point. Though, puts you well on your way to becoming a politician.

Well just so you enjoy  living in your Dream  and only get one vote.   

Quoting statistics without altering them to fit my argument is living the dream? And here I just thought it was being rational. Learn something new every day!

Last post on this from me but quoting statistics from a known to be unreliable source who intentionally skews the facts to the liberal needs.    And by the way, there are many suicides involving motor vehicles and they do not count those as highway fatalities but only as suicides.

[South Carolina Redfish]

@NJDave & Joe-any chance of a Sunday herf(May 10th)? What days look best for you guys?

Sundays are usually pretty brutal for me, as are Wednesdays. I'll know my May class schedule in the next day or two so I'll get back to you. What days are you out here?

AND it's Mothers Day.  You have other duties!

Oh, right, totally remembered that and was just about to say that's why that Sunday won't work.

That one slipped up on me too, good job CA Dave for keeping our azzes out of the frying pan!

[razgueado]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

Take out suicide, and cars win hands down.

Why would you take out suicide?

Because suicide rates remain stable regardless of gun availability or control. The rate doesn't diminish or surge if you increase or decrease the availability of guns. So it's an irrelevant statistic to the discussion.

The discussion was gun deaths v. car deaths. You can't just take out parts of that anymore than you would take out car deaths due to malfunction. That's when you start manipulating stats just to backup your own view point. Though, puts you well on your way to becoming a politician.

I disagree, both with your thesis and with your characterization of my intent. But we'll disregard the latter and focus on the former. A fundamental rule of statistics is comparing apples to apples.

If our intent is to simply discuss the ways people die, then we can lump everything together. No issue.

If, however, we are going to discuss the validity or effectiveness of legislative or regulatory constraint to prevent deaths, then we have to categorize carefully the statistics we compare. No amount of regulatory control has ever reduced the rate of suicide. A relatively stable percentage of people are determined to off themselves and do so by any means necessary. So they are irrelevant to any discussion of regulation, be it of cars, guns, knives, pharmaceuticals, or belts.

[LuvTooGolf]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

Take out suicide, and cars win hands down.

Why would you take out suicide?

Because suicide rates remain stable regardless of gun availability or control. The rate doesn't diminish or surge if you increase or decrease the availability of guns. So it's an irrelevant statistic to the discussion.

The discussion was gun deaths v. car deaths. You can't just take out parts of that anymore than you would take out car deaths due to malfunction. That's when you start manipulating stats just to backup your own view point. Though, puts you well on your way to becoming a politician.

Well just so you enjoy  living in your Dream  and only get one vote.   

Quoting statistics without altering them to fit my argument is living the dream? And here I just thought it was being rational. Learn something new every day!

Last post on this from me but quoting statistics from a known to be unreliable source who intentionally skews the facts to the liberal needs.    And by the way, there are many suicides involving motor vehicles and they do not count those as highway fatalities but only as suicides.

It's gotta be rough to live in a world where anyone who doesn't agree with you is skewing things for the other side. Cause that's your mantra for just about anything that doesn't line up with what you believe.

[South Carolina Redfish]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

Take out suicide, and cars win hands down.

Why would you take out suicide?

Because suicide rates remain stable regardless of gun availability or control. The rate doesn't diminish or surge if you increase or decrease the availability of guns. So it's an irrelevant statistic to the discussion.

What does suicide using a gun count for?

-0- is what it counts for, but guess we should start counting suicide by bridge and suicide by tall building as those may need to be done away with.

[A Friend of Charlie]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

I was only joking when I stirred this pot.  But I am curious to know the percentage of cars used for killing people versus cars used for transportation.  Then I'd like to compare the percentage of guns used for killing people versus guns used for transportation (I guess carjacking counts).

[LuvTooGolf]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

Take out suicide, and cars win hands down.

Why would you take out suicide?

Because suicide rates remain stable regardless of gun availability or control. The rate doesn't diminish or surge if you increase or decrease the availability of guns. So it's an irrelevant statistic to the discussion.

The discussion was gun deaths v. car deaths. You can't just take out parts of that anymore than you would take out car deaths due to malfunction. That's when you start manipulating stats just to backup your own view point. Though, puts you well on your way to becoming a politician.

I disagree, both with your thesis and with your characterization of my intent. But we'll disregard the latter and focus on the former. A fundamental rule of statistics is comparing apples to apples.

If our intent is to simply discuss the ways people die, then we can lump everything together. No issue.

If, however, we are going to discuss the validity or effectiveness of legislative or regulatory constraint to prevent deaths, then we have to categorize carefully the statistics we compare. No amount of regulatory control has ever reduced the rate of suicide. A relatively stable percentage of people are determined to off themselves and do so by any means necessary. So they are irrelevant to any discussion of regulation, be it of cars, guns, knives, pharmaceuticals, or belts.

I didn't mean for this to even become a thing. I was merely pointing out that your original statement - "And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars." - was incorrect. Taken by itself, without adjusting anything, it is a false statement. Didn't expect the "liberals are changing/controlling urrvrything!!" angle. Though, I probably should have.

[LuvTooGolf]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

Take out suicide, and cars win hands down.

Why would you take out suicide?

Because suicide rates remain stable regardless of gun availability or control. The rate doesn't diminish or surge if you increase or decrease the availability of guns. So it's an irrelevant statistic to the discussion.

What does suicide using a gun count for?

-0- is what it counts for, but guess we should start counting suicide by bridge and suicide by tall building as those may need to be done away with.

ELIMINATE BRIDGES AND TALL BUILDINGS!!

[razgueado]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

Take out suicide, and cars win hands down.

Why would you take out suicide?

Because suicide rates remain stable regardless of gun availability or control. The rate doesn't diminish or surge if you increase or decrease the availability of guns. So it's an irrelevant statistic to the discussion.

What does suicide using a gun count for?

-0- is what it counts for, but guess we should start counting suicide by bridge and suicide by tall building as those may need to be done away with.

Now let's not get testy. I know it's Tuesday, but we are friends here. We can have a thoughtful discussion, even with some cheap shots thrown in for fun.

[LuvTooGolf]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

I was only joking when I stirred this pot.  But I am curious to know the percentage of cars used for killing people versus cars used for transportation.  Then I'd like to compare the percentage of guns used for killing people versus guns used for transportation (I guess carjacking counts).

Those statistics wouldn't matter, because liberals.

[BackyardSmoker]

Morning, all.  Happy Tuesday.

Good morning, Joe.  We're learning about assault rifles today.  And speaking of being assaulted, Scott's around here somewhere.

And we AR not talking about assault rifles.  READ MAN READ we are talking about Non Assault Rifles.

I am reading.  And in between Zzzz's I'm giving a shit.  The intent was to get a rise out of you and it worked.

So in reality you have just been being dishonest to us?  Typical fuk'n politician.

How so?  By the way, guns kill.

That's just what "they" want you to believe.

...and the bullets. Bullets kill people. Ban the bullets!

And baseball bats.  Oh, and bricks.  And cars kill more people - by a long shot - than guns.  So get rid of the cars.

Actually, gun deaths and car deaths are almost identical. In fact, gun deaths will like pass car deaths in a few years, if they haven't already.

Take out suicide, and cars win hands down.

Why would you take out suicide?

Because suicide rates remain stable regardless of gun availability or control. The rate doesn't diminish or surge if you increase or decrease the availability of guns. So it's an irrelevant statistic to the discussion.

What does suicide using a gun count for?

-0- is what it counts for, but guess we should start counting suicide by bridge and suicide by tall building as those may need to be done away with.

Now let's not get testy. I know it's Tuesday, but we are friends here. We can have a thoughtful discussion, even with some cheap shots thrown in for fun.

I agree. I think Golf felt he was being cornered, but in reality TxDave just hates everything...