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[Oyam18]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.

Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it.  Just a thought.

That's easy.  Treat people with decency, work to shared goals and needs of the American people, don't lie (OK, maybe a little), don't make shit up and base your actions on conspiracy theories.  Hows that for a start.

Nope, that not good for me.

[Travellin Dave]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.

Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it.  Just a thought.

I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.

And this is the problem with this country and this election.  Everybody wants to play identity politics.  It's easier.  No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun.  It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!"  "You're a libtard!"  "You're a Nazi!"  "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.

But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard.  Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts. 

Still, this is how deals are made.  You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit.  That's how it's done.  But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.

Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big business

But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut.  If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term.  "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)

[Travellin Dave]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.

Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it.  Just a thought.

I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.

And this is the problem with this country and this election.  Everybody wants to play identity politics.  It's easier.  No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun.  It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!"  "You're a libtard!"  "You're a Nazi!"  "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.

But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard.  Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts. 

Still, this is how deals are made.  You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit.  That's how it's done.  But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.

Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big business

But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut.  If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term.  "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)

There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc.  If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.

[Travellin Dave]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

You forgot Corona, Corona, Corona...

We were talking about FAKE NEWS not reality. What sandwich are you getting???

But Corona is fake.  News will stop talking about it tomorrow if Biden wins.  We've rounded the corner, it's going to be a glorious winter!

Big Kahuna chicken cheesesteak with extra meat.

[Oyam18]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.

Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it.  Just a thought.

I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.

And this is the problem with this country and this election.  Everybody wants to play identity politics.  It's easier.  No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun.  It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!"  "You're a libtard!"  "You're a Nazi!"  "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.

But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard.  Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts. 

Still, this is how deals are made.  You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit.  That's how it's done.  But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.

Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big business

But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut.  If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term.  "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)

There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc.  If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.

Lets see what Sanders and Warren come up with when they are in charge.

[Oyam18]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

You forgot Corona, Corona, Corona...

We were talking about FAKE NEWS not reality. What sandwich are you getting???

But Corona is fake.  News will stop talking about it tomorrow if Biden wins.  We've rounded the corner, it's going to be a glorious winter!

Big Kahuna chicken cheesesteak with extra meat.

Chicken ? FAKE SUB!

[razgueado]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.

Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it.  Just a thought.

I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.

And this is the problem with this country and this election.  Everybody wants to play identity politics.  It's easier.  No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun.  It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!"  "You're a libtard!"  "You're a Nazi!"  "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.

But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard.  Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts. 

Still, this is how deals are made.  You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit.  That's how it's done.  But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.

Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big business

But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut.  If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term.  "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)

There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc.  If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.

Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.

[Travellin Dave]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

You forgot Corona, Corona, Corona...

We were talking about FAKE NEWS not reality. What sandwich are you getting???

But Corona is fake.  News will stop talking about it tomorrow if Biden wins.  We've rounded the corner, it's going to be a glorious winter!

Big Kahuna chicken cheesesteak with extra meat.

Chicken ? FAKE SUB!

Just seems appropriate today.

[Travellin Dave]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.

Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it.  Just a thought.

I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.

And this is the problem with this country and this election.  Everybody wants to play identity politics.  It's easier.  No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun.  It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!"  "You're a libtard!"  "You're a Nazi!"  "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.

But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard.  Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts. 

Still, this is how deals are made.  You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit.  That's how it's done.  But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.

Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big business

But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut.  If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term.  "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)

There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc.  If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.

Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.

Did it make it worse?

[Oyam18]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.

Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it.  Just a thought.

I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.

And this is the problem with this country and this election.  Everybody wants to play identity politics.  It's easier.  No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun.  It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!"  "You're a libtard!"  "You're a Nazi!"  "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.

But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard.  Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts. 

Still, this is how deals are made.  You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit.  That's how it's done.  But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.

Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big business

But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut.  If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term.  "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)

There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc.  If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.

Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.

Did it make it worse?

Its Seattle (:

[razgueado]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.

Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it.  Just a thought.

I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.

And this is the problem with this country and this election.  Everybody wants to play identity politics.  It's easier.  No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun.  It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!"  "You're a libtard!"  "You're a Nazi!"  "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.

But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard.  Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts. 

Still, this is how deals are made.  You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit.  That's how it's done.  But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.

Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big business

But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut.  If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term.  "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)

There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc.  If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.

Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.

Did it make it worse?

Define worse?  A lot of people lost their jobs.  I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.

[LuvTooGolf]

We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.

What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.

Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it.  Just a thought.

I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.

And this is the problem with this country and this election.  Everybody wants to play identity politics.  It's easier.  No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun.  It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!"  "You're a libtard!"  "You're a Nazi!"  "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.

But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard.  Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts. 

Still, this is how deals are made.  You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit.  That's how it's done.  But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.

Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big business

But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut.  If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term.  "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)

There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc.  If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.

Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.

Did it make it worse?

Define worse?  A lot of people lost their jobs.  I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.

Can you define "a lot"? Because everything I'm reading indicates an increase in the number of jobs at the bottom of the wage floor, which is exactly what proponents of increasing the minimum are hoping for.

[Travellin Dave]

Well, I've had a productive morning.  Voted, got my hair cut, picked up a box of ammo, got a sammich, cleaned out the garden.  Think it's time for a cigar.

[Oyam18]

You may need to surrender that box of Ammo depending on who wins. What you smokin?

[LuvTooGolf]

Well, I've had a productive morning.  Voted, got my hair cut, picked up a box of ammo, got a sammich, cleaned out the garden.  Think it's time for a cigar.

You've definitely earned it.