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Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 07:45:39 AM
Sheesh.At the polls lull?
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on November 03, 2020, 07:51:09 AM
Decisions, decisions, decisions...Sheesh.At the polls lull?
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 08:08:53 AM
If you got to the last couple of weeks and were still undecided, you should probably have your vote taken away. :DDecisions, decisions, decisions...Sheesh.At the polls lull?
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 08:28:41 AM
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Post by: FloridaDean on November 03, 2020, 08:30:42 AM
Good morning, voters. Here's a little something to get you moving this morning.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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thanks Mark.
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Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 08:41:39 AM
Good morning, voters. Here's a little something to get you moving this morning.See, now I can't decide which is worse - his policies, his personality or his dance moves.
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Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 08:42:50 AM
I am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 08:43:32 AM
Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 08:51:45 AM
Post by: sfish on November 03, 2020, 08:55:40 AM
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 08:55:51 AM
Anyways, let's talk about how today is ACTUALLY National Sandwich Day...I move we make it National Sandwich Week. After all, so many kinds from which to choose.
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 08:56:22 AM
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 08:57:46 AM
Or Month. Or Year. I'm good with any of those.Anyways, let's talk about how today is ACTUALLY National Sandwich Day...I move we make it National Sandwich Week. After all, so many kinds from which to choose.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
Scorcher going today and I'm not referring to politicsWho's got time for that, there's sammitches to talk about!
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 09:33:32 AM
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 09:36:04 AM
Well, actually at Jersey Mikes, SANDDAY20ff is good through 11-6Anyways, let's talk about how today is ACTUALLY National Sandwich Day...I move we make it National Sandwich Week. After all, so many kinds from which to choose.
Post by: FloridaDean on November 03, 2020, 09:36:52 AM
I was thinking one of those oil rich Arab countries like Dubai.Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 09:44:13 AM
There are 58 days left in the year.
Today’s Highlight in History:
On Nov. 3, 1936, President Franklin D. Roosevelt won a landslide election victory over Republican challenger Alfred “Alf” Landon.
On this date:
In 1900, the first automobile show in the United States opened at New York’s Madison Square Garden under the auspices of the Automobile Club of America.
In 1911, the Chevrolet Motor Car Co. was founded in Detroit by Louis Chevrolet and William C. Durant. (The company was acquired by General Motors in 1918.)
In 1960, President John F. Kennedy established the U.S. Agency for International Development.
In 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson soundly defeated Republican Barry Goldwater to win a White House term in his own right.
In 1970, Salvador Allende (ah-YEN’-day) was inaugurated as president of Chile.
In 1979, five Communist Workers Party members were killed in a clash with heavily armed Ku Klux Klansmen and neo-Nazis during an anti-Klan protest in Greensboro, North Carolina.
In 1986, the Iran-Contra affair came to light as Ash-Shiraa, a pro-Syrian Lebanese magazine, first broke the story of U.S. arms sales to Iran.
In 1992, Democrat Bill Clinton was elected the 42nd president of the United States, defeating President George H.W. Bush. In Illinois, Democrat Carol Moseley-Braun became the first Black woman elected to the U.S. Senate.
In 1994, Susan Smith of Union, South Carolina, was arrested for drowning her two young sons, Michael and Alex, nine days after claiming the children had been abducted by a Black carjacker.
In 2004, President George W. Bush claimed a re-election mandate a day after more than 62 million Americans chose him over Democrat John Kerry; Kerry conceded defeat in make-or-break Ohio rather than launch a legal fight reminiscent of the contentious Florida recount of four years earlier.
In 2017, Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who walked away from his post in Afghanistan and triggered a search that left some of his comrades severely wounded, was spared a prison sentence by a military judge in North Carolina; President Donald Trump blasted the decision as a “complete and total disgrace.”
In 2014, 13 years after the 9/11 terrorist attack, the resurrected World Trade Center opened for business, marking an emotional milestone for both New Yorkers and the nation.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
Five years ago: Ohio voters rejected a ballot proposal that would have legalized both recreational and medical marijuana. U.S. auto safety regulators fined Japan’s Takata Corp. $70 million for concealing evidence for years that its air bags were prone to explode with potentially deadly consequences. Online retail giant Amazon opened its first brick-and-mortar bookstore, located in Seattle, two decades after it began selling books over the Internet. Ahmad Chalabi, a prominent Iraqi politician who helped persuade the Bush administration to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein in 2003, died in Baghdad.
One year ago: Authorities in Southern California lifted all evacuation orders as firefighters made progress on a large blaze that sent thousands fleeing homes and farms northwest of Los Angeles. Geoffrey Kamworor of Kenya won his second men’s title in three years at the New York City Marathon; in the women’s race, Kenyan Joyciline Jepkosgei powered away from four-time winner Mary Keitany in her first marathon.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 09:47:12 AM
Actor Lois Smith is 90.
Actor Monica Vitti is 89.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Michael S. Dukakis is 87.
Actor Shadoe Stevens is 74.
Singer Lulu is 72.
“Vogue” editor-in-chief Anna Wintour is 71.
Comedian-actor Roseanne Barr is 68.
Actor Kate Capshaw is 67.
Comedian Dennis Miller is 67.
Actor Kathy Kinney is 67.
Singer Adam Ant is 66.
Sports commentator and former quarterback Phil Simms is 65.
Director-screenwriter Gary Ross is 64.
Actor Dolph Lundgren is 63.
Rock musician C.J. Pierce (Drowning Pool) is 48.
Actor Francois Battiste (TV: “Ten Days in the Valley”) is 44.
Olympic gold medal figure skater Evgeni Plushenko is 38.
Actor Julie Berman is 37.
Actor Antonia Thomas (TV: “The Good Doctor”) is 34.
Alternative rock singer/songwriter Courtney Barnett is 33.
TV personality Kendall Jenner (TV: “Keeping Up with the Kardashians”) is 25.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 09:48:03 AM
They have not been so flush as of late...I was thinking one of those oil rich Arab countries like Dubai.Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 10:05:10 AM
Don't have one of those close enough to me to try, unfortunately.Well, actually at Jersey Mikes, SANDDAY20ff is good through 11-6Anyways, let's talk about how today is ACTUALLY National Sandwich Day...I move we make it National Sandwich Week. After all, so many kinds from which to choose.
Post by: sfish on November 03, 2020, 10:15:13 AM
Vibrant gazebo potential over there?I was thinking one of those oil rich Arab countries like Dubai.Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 10:48:28 AM
More so than the redhead potential I would think.Vibrant gazebo potential over there?I was thinking one of those oil rich Arab countries like Dubai.Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 10:48:52 AM
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
Thank you MSNBCI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 10:50:05 AM
Scorcher going today and I'm not referring to politicssome deals are OK and some are just OK
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 10:50:38 AM
Taco TuesdayScorcher going today and I'm not referring to politicsWho's got time for that, there's sammitches to talk about!
Post by: sfish on November 03, 2020, 10:51:04 AM
CNS, exactlyThank you MSNBCI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: sfish on November 03, 2020, 10:51:35 AM
IndeedMore so than the redhead potential I would think.Vibrant gazebo potential over there?I was thinking one of those oil rich Arab countries like Dubai.Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 10:54:53 AM
Strong talk for someone who has apparently not been paying even a little attention the last 4 years. ;)Thank you MSNBCI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 10:55:17 AM
I think he'll suspend the redhead rule if it means getting to woo a rich Dubai princess.IndeedMore so than the redhead potential I would think.Vibrant gazebo potential over there?I was thinking one of those oil rich Arab countries like Dubai.Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
...and CNN, and Rachel Maddow, and NBC, and ABC, and CBS, and the New York Times...Thank you MSNBCI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
This is a hysterical election cycle...in both senses of the word.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 11:00:01 AM
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 11:02:18 AM
We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.Nah, if Biden wins, the media will start calling for peace, love and harmony. It'll suddenly be time to call an end to endless government investigations. Go figger.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:02:44 AM
We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 11:04:10 AM
Plus he can't tell what he's getting until he unwraps them. Appeals to his sense of adventure.I think he'll suspend the redhead rule if it means getting to woo a rich Dubai princess.IndeedMore so than the redhead potential I would think.Vibrant gazebo potential over there?I was thinking one of those oil rich Arab countries like Dubai.Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:04:14 AM
And we'll all be saying, "come on, guys, he was elected, get over it and give him a chance" like you all told us last time. :DWe may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.Nah, if Biden wins, the media will start calling for peace, love and harmony. It'll suddenly be time to call an end to endless government investigations. Go figger.
Post by: FloridaDean on November 03, 2020, 11:04:52 AM
wealthy cougars?More so than the redhead potential I would think.Vibrant gazebo potential over there?I was thinking one of those oil rich Arab countries like Dubai.Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:05:31 AM
It'll be like his birthday!Plus he can't tell what he's getting until he unwraps them. Appeals to his sense of adventure.I think he'll suspend the redhead rule if it means getting to woo a rich Dubai princess.IndeedMore so than the redhead potential I would think.Vibrant gazebo potential over there?I was thinking one of those oil rich Arab countries like Dubai.Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: FloridaDean on November 03, 2020, 11:06:08 AM
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 11:07:03 AM
Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: FloridaDean on November 03, 2020, 11:07:16 AM
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 11:07:33 AM
And you can expect us to be as accommodating as y'all were. ;-)And we'll all be saying, "come on, guys, he was elected, get over it and give him a chance" like you all told us last time. :DWe may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.Nah, if Biden wins, the media will start calling for peace, love and harmony. It'll suddenly be time to call an end to endless government investigations. Go figger.
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 11:08:21 AM
morning RazMan and Dave.Morning, Deano.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 11:10:37 AM
no money in that! Ill bet a 10pk Joe is out before 2 years are up.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.Nah, if Biden wins, the media will start calling for peace, love and harmony. It'll suddenly be time to call an end to endless government investigations. Go figger.
Post by: FloridaDean on November 03, 2020, 11:11:05 AM
Pelosi pulled Article 25 not to get rid of Trump but to get rid of Biden so Kamala takes the presidency. you actually believe Biden could do more than sniff little girls or grope women after 47 years of carrying water in politics?We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 11:11:37 AM
Its "come on man!"And we'll all be saying, "come on, guys, he was elected, get over it and give him a chance" like you all told us last time. :DWe may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.Nah, if Biden wins, the media will start calling for peace, love and harmony. It'll suddenly be time to call an end to endless government investigations. Go figger.
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 11:12:29 AM
See, I'm staying out of politics, and restricting myself to social commentary today. ;)Pelosi pulled Article 25 not to get rid of Trump but to get rid of Biden so Kamala takes the presidency. you actually believe Biden could do more than sniff little girls or grope women after 47 years of carrying water in politics?We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 11:13:23 AM
that's no fun and takes effort.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 11:15:48 AM
And reasoned debate without resorting to name-calling. That IS a tough challenge, for both sides.that's no fun and takes effort.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:18:36 AM
I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:20:09 AM
Well, he certainly couldn't top Drumpf in the groping category. As for the pedophile insinuation, that's been my absolute favorite desperate straw for people to grasp this cycle. I truly believe you're better than that, Dean.Pelosi pulled Article 25 not to get rid of Trump but to get rid of Biden so Kamala takes the presidency. you actually believe Biden could do more than sniff little girls or grope women after 47 years of carrying water in politics?We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 11:20:29 AM
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 11:20:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rf8wI8b.gif)I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 11:22:52 AM
Not a pedo, just likes Roches and "kids on my lap" he is Santa. SNIFFING is not illegal.Well, he certainly couldn't top Drumpf in the groping category. As for the pedophile insinuation, that's been my absolute favorite desperate straw for people to grasp this cycle. I truly believe you're better than that, Dean.Pelosi pulled Article 25 not to get rid of Trump but to get rid of Biden so Kamala takes the presidency. you actually believe Biden could do more than sniff little girls or grope women after 47 years of carrying water in politics?We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 11:26:33 AM
Post by: sfish on November 03, 2020, 11:28:53 AM
I don't think anybody will have the opportunity to vote for Biden again, guaranteed he won't make it through his full term. Pelosi already laying the ground workWe may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 11:30:49 AM
And this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:32:51 AM
Thanks, Fox News. ;)I don't think anybody will have the opportunity to vote for Biden again, guaranteed he won't make it through his full term. Pelosi already laying the ground workWe may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:33:45 AM
Why is the DOW up 600 points? They smell money!They smell profit after last week's sell off.
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 11:35:08 AM
Private Jet Traffic Soars as Panicked Elites Exit Cities Amid Virus, Election Chaos.(https://media2.giphy.com/media/l2Jecm1l0wnJ2kQDu/source.gif)
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:36:46 AM
Private Jet Traffic Soars as Panicked Elites Exit Cities Amid Virus, Election Chaos.I hope they all have private islands, cause I don't know if many places are accepting visitors right now.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on November 03, 2020, 11:37:02 AM
I'm definitely down with that. Is a taco technically a sandwich?Taco TuesdayScorcher going today and I'm not referring to politicsWho's got time for that, there's sammitches to talk about!
Post by: FloridaDean on November 03, 2020, 11:37:03 AM
I don't see where I called him a pedophile, just that he liked sniffing little girls. or do you know something about Joe we don't?Well, he certainly couldn't top Drumpf in the groping category. As for the pedophile insinuation, that's been my absolute favorite desperate straw for people to grasp this cycle. I truly believe you're better than that, Dean.Pelosi pulled Article 25 not to get rid of Trump but to get rid of Biden so Kamala takes the presidency. you actually believe Biden could do more than sniff little girls or grope women after 47 years of carrying water in politics?We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:37:31 AM
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Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:38:21 AM
I don't see where you called him that, either. That's why I used the word insinuation.I don't see where I called him a pedophile, just that he liked sniffing little girls. or do you know something about Joe we don't?Well, he certainly couldn't top Drumpf in the groping category. As for the pedophile insinuation, that's been my absolute favorite desperate straw for people to grasp this cycle. I truly believe you're better than that, Dean.Pelosi pulled Article 25 not to get rid of Trump but to get rid of Biden so Kamala takes the presidency. you actually believe Biden could do more than sniff little girls or grope women after 47 years of carrying water in politics?We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:38:41 AM
Post by: FloridaDean on November 03, 2020, 11:40:10 AM
when you get my age there is no 'long term'. 😊And this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: FloridaDean on November 03, 2020, 11:45:25 AM
sniffing little girls isn't a crime?I don't see where you called him that, either. That's why I used the word insinuation.I don't see where I called him a pedophile, just that he liked sniffing little girls. or do you know something about Joe we don't?Well, he certainly couldn't top Drumpf in the groping category. As for the pedophile insinuation, that's been my absolute favorite desperate straw for people to grasp this cycle. I truly believe you're better than that, Dean.Pelosi pulled Article 25 not to get rid of Trump but to get rid of Biden so Kamala takes the presidency. you actually believe Biden could do more than sniff little girls or grope women after 47 years of carrying water in politics?We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: FloridaDean on November 03, 2020, 11:47:12 AM
Post by: sfish on November 03, 2020, 11:47:38 AM
Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on November 03, 2020, 11:48:18 AM
Hey, at least we've gotten to page 6 before lunch. That's something.It IS something.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:48:52 AM
LALTSwhen you get my age there is no 'long term'. 😊And this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 11:49:32 AM
sammich time?Just about leftover chili time for me. I think sammitches will be for dinner.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 12:05:23 PM
I think its thank you dementia :)Thanks, Fox News. ;)I don't think anybody will have the opportunity to vote for Biden again, guaranteed he won't make it through his full term. Pelosi already laying the ground workWe may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 12:19:32 PM
We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.You forgot Corona, Corona, Corona...
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 12:20:34 PM
That would be a nice change of pace...unless they move to Europe and pick up some gigolo there.wealthy cougars?More so than the redhead potential I would think.Vibrant gazebo potential over there?I was thinking one of those oil rich Arab countries like Dubai.Besides, at this point, I'm sure England doesn't want us back. ;DI am sick of elections. can we sell our country to a monarch?One of the candidates is trying to turn us into a dictatorship, is that close enough for you?
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 12:21:33 PM
We were talking about FAKE NEWS not reality. What sandwich are you getting???We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.You forgot Corona, Corona, Corona...
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 12:22:54 PM
That's easy. Treat people with decency, work to shared goals and needs of the American people, don't lie (OK, maybe a little), don't make shit up and base your actions on conspiracy theories. Hows that for a start.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 12:28:04 PM
Who you talking to? Me or Trump? Because what I said had nothing to do with Trump, or Biden for that matter.That's easy. Treat people with decency, work to shared goals and needs of the American people, don't lie (OK, maybe a little), don't make shit up and base your actions on conspiracy theories. Hows that for a start.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But I'll point out that "working toward shared goals and needs" does require a consensus of what those are.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 12:28:12 PM
Nope, that not good for me.That's easy. Treat people with decency, work to shared goals and needs of the American people, don't lie (OK, maybe a little), don't make shit up and base your actions on conspiracy theories. Hows that for a start.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 12:28:53 PM
But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 12:30:43 PM
There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 12:33:55 PM
But Corona is fake. News will stop talking about it tomorrow if Biden wins. We've rounded the corner, it's going to be a glorious winter!We were talking about FAKE NEWS not reality. What sandwich are you getting???We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.You forgot Corona, Corona, Corona...
Big Kahuna chicken cheesesteak with extra meat.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 12:35:40 PM
Lets see what Sanders and Warren come up with when they are in charge.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 12:37:25 PM
Chicken ???? FAKE SUB!But Corona is fake. News will stop talking about it tomorrow if Biden wins. We've rounded the corner, it's going to be a glorious winter!We were talking about FAKE NEWS not reality. What sandwich are you getting???We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.You forgot Corona, Corona, Corona...
Big Kahuna chicken cheesesteak with extra meat.
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 12:40:21 PM
Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 12:50:38 PM
Just seems appropriate today.Chicken ???? FAKE SUB!But Corona is fake. News will stop talking about it tomorrow if Biden wins. We've rounded the corner, it's going to be a glorious winter!We were talking about FAKE NEWS not reality. What sandwich are you getting???We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.You forgot Corona, Corona, Corona...
Big Kahuna chicken cheesesteak with extra meat.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 12:51:12 PM
Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 12:52:03 PM
Its Seattle (:Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 12:57:39 PM
Define worse? A lot of people lost their jobs. I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 01:28:43 PM
Can you define "a lot"? Because everything I'm reading indicates an increase in the number of jobs at the bottom of the wage floor, which is exactly what proponents of increasing the minimum are hoping for.Define worse? A lot of people lost their jobs. I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 01:31:49 PM
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 01:37:57 PM
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 01:39:28 PM
Well, I've had a productive morning. Voted, got my hair cut, picked up a box of ammo, got a sammich, cleaned out the garden. Think it's time for a cigar.You've definitely earned it.
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 01:58:35 PM
Well, I've had a productive morning. Voted, got my hair cut, picked up a box of ammo, got a sammich, cleaned out the garden. Think it's time for a cigar.You're a lousy
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 02:32:32 PM
A UW study in 2017 indicated 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs than there would have been otherwise, and the average overall pay went down $125 due to work hours being cut. Now, from 2017-2019, that was mitigated by the growth of the Trump economy. True enough. Consumers were willing to spend more, so the bleeding was mitigated. But in an economic downturn, those jobs and the businesses that provide them are toast. And it will take a major recovery to get back to that.Can you define "a lot"? Because everything I'm reading indicates an increase in the number of jobs at the bottom of the wage floor, which is exactly what proponents of increasing the minimum are hoping for.Define worse? A lot of people lost their jobs. I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
The notion that increasing minimum wage will cause a net increase in jobs is only viable in a very hot economy where consumers will spend more - in other words, it's a trickle-down theory. Increase earnings at the upper end of the scale and it will filter down to tolerance of the higher prices that will allow job expansion at the lower end. If earnings at the upper end sneeze, the lower end dies of pneumonia.
In addition, recoveries are driven by smaller businesses, much more vulnerable to labor costs. So if fewer of those companies go into action, because they can't afford the costs, then recoveries don't happen as quickly.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 02:38:01 PM
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on November 03, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
This cigar called out to me today.CNS
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 03:08:02 PM
This cigar called out to me today.what did it say?
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 03:08:59 PM
Central Nervous System?This cigar called out to me today.CNS
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 03:10:32 PM
It started singing "Y-M-C-A".This cigar called out to me today.what did it say?
Post by: sfish on November 03, 2020, 03:10:38 PM
Chuckled Now SmilingCentral Nervous System?This cigar called out to me today.CNS
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 03:22:38 PM
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Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 03:26:43 PM
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 03:27:38 PM
Giving this stick another shot. Hoping another month's rest did it some good.I did not and do not think they are all that great. Meh for me.
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Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
Dominicana mail call(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/e6809a26fa3c7fa560cfe62af01aaa13.jpg)He does make a good looking package! Hope they are as good as they look.
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 03:35:09 PM
TWSSDominicana mail call(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/e6809a26fa3c7fa560cfe62af01aaa13.jpg)He does make a good looking package! Hope they are as good as they look.
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 03:36:27 PM
That is a colorful box. You'll have to repurpose it when it's empty for sure.Dominicana mail call(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/e6809a26fa3c7fa560cfe62af01aaa13.jpg)He does make a good looking package! Hope they are as good as they look.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 03:42:10 PM
It definitely is, really great blue color on it. It's a keeper.That is a colorful box. You'll have to repurpose it when it's empty for sure.Dominicana mail call(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/e6809a26fa3c7fa560cfe62af01aaa13.jpg)He does make a good looking package! Hope they are as good as they look.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 03:42:50 PM
This cigar called out to me today.Appropriate
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 03:50:09 PM
Perhaps $15 is too high for the market to bear, but to have a minimum wage that hasn't increased in 11 years and counting is unconscionable. Other than new technology, not a whole lot of things haven't increased in price in that timeframe.A UW study in 2017 indicated 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs than there would have been otherwise, and the average overall pay went down $125 due to work hours being cut. Now, from 2017-2019, that was mitigated by the growth of the Trump economy. True enough. Consumers were willing to spend more, so the bleeding was mitigated. But in an economic downturn, those jobs and the businesses that provide them are toast. And it will take a major recovery to get back to that.Can you define "a lot"? Because everything I'm reading indicates an increase in the number of jobs at the bottom of the wage floor, which is exactly what proponents of increasing the minimum are hoping for.Define worse? A lot of people lost their jobs. I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
The notion that increasing minimum wage will cause a net increase in jobs is only viable in a very hot economy where consumers will spend more - in other words, it's a trickle-down theory. Increase earnings at the upper end of the scale and it will filter down to tolerance of the higher prices that will allow job expansion at the lower end. If earnings at the upper end sneeze, the lower end dies of pneumonia.
In addition, recoveries are driven by smaller businesses, much more vulnerable to labor costs. So if fewer of those companies go into action, because they can't afford the costs, then recoveries don't happen as quickly.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 03:50:32 PM
Checking out another man's package?Dominicana mail call(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/e6809a26fa3c7fa560cfe62af01aaa13.jpg)He does make a good looking package! Hope they are as good as they look.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 03:52:52 PM
Comparison ShoppingChecking out another man's package?Dominicana mail call(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/e6809a26fa3c7fa560cfe62af01aaa13.jpg)He does make a good looking package! Hope they are as good as they look.
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 03:53:07 PM
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 04:16:44 PM
Kinky.Comparison ShoppingChecking out another man's package?Dominicana mail call(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/e6809a26fa3c7fa560cfe62af01aaa13.jpg)He does make a good looking package! Hope they are as good as they look.
Post by: sfish on November 03, 2020, 04:34:21 PM
Weren't Obama/Biden in office for the majority of that time? Congrats on the cigarsPerhaps $15 is too high for the market to bear, but to have a minimum wage that hasn't increased in 11 years and counting is unconscionable. Other than new technology, not a whole lot of things haven't increased in price in that timeframe.A UW study in 2017 indicated 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs than there would have been otherwise, and the average overall pay went down $125 due to work hours being cut. Now, from 2017-2019, that was mitigated by the growth of the Trump economy. True enough. Consumers were willing to spend more, so the bleeding was mitigated. But in an economic downturn, those jobs and the businesses that provide them are toast. And it will take a major recovery to get back to that.Can you define "a lot"? Because everything I'm reading indicates an increase in the number of jobs at the bottom of the wage floor, which is exactly what proponents of increasing the minimum are hoping for.Define worse? A lot of people lost their jobs. I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
The notion that increasing minimum wage will cause a net increase in jobs is only viable in a very hot economy where consumers will spend more - in other words, it's a trickle-down theory. Increase earnings at the upper end of the scale and it will filter down to tolerance of the higher prices that will allow job expansion at the lower end. If earnings at the upper end sneeze, the lower end dies of pneumonia.
In addition, recoveries are driven by smaller businesses, much more vulnerable to labor costs. So if fewer of those companies go into action, because they can't afford the costs, then recoveries don't happen as quickly.
Post by: Threebean on November 03, 2020, 04:40:40 PM
Somewhat improved but still in meh territory for me as well.Giving this stick another shot. Hoping another month's rest did it some good.I did not and do not think they are all that great. Meh for me.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/fb2f41c0d2333f3a9efab74d1e627c66.jpg)
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 05:27:16 PM
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 05:34:20 PM
for a bit less I prefer the GriffinsSomewhat improved but still in meh territory for me as well.Giving this stick another shot. Hoping another month's rest did it some good.I did not and do not think they are all that great. Meh for me.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/fb2f41c0d2333f3a9efab74d1e627c66.jpg)
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 05:38:12 PM
Minimum wage in Washington State gets adjusted up frequently, and it's gone up every year since 1999. The argument could be made that it is too low, and that might be unconscionable, but it's gone up every year. And the fact is that here in Washington there aren't many jobs that pay minimum wage anyway. You wouldn't be able to get the employees. When I joined the workforce at 16 in 1981, as a grocery bagger, minimum wage was around $2.35. I was making $3.96, and that went up to $4.27 in less than a year. I started my first computer programming job just out of high school at $5.00, but I was also getting my college tuition paid. Minimum wage stayed at $2.35 until 1989, but McDonald's in Washington state was paying $8 an hour.Perhaps $15 is too high for the market to bear, but to have a minimum wage that hasn't increased in 11 years and counting is unconscionable. Other than new technology, not a whole lot of things haven't increased in price in that timeframe.A UW study in 2017 indicated 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs than there would have been otherwise, and the average overall pay went down $125 due to work hours being cut. Now, from 2017-2019, that was mitigated by the growth of the Trump economy. True enough. Consumers were willing to spend more, so the bleeding was mitigated. But in an economic downturn, those jobs and the businesses that provide them are toast. And it will take a major recovery to get back to that.Can you define "a lot"? Because everything I'm reading indicates an increase in the number of jobs at the bottom of the wage floor, which is exactly what proponents of increasing the minimum are hoping for.Define worse? A lot of people lost their jobs. I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
The notion that increasing minimum wage will cause a net increase in jobs is only viable in a very hot economy where consumers will spend more - in other words, it's a trickle-down theory. Increase earnings at the upper end of the scale and it will filter down to tolerance of the higher prices that will allow job expansion at the lower end. If earnings at the upper end sneeze, the lower end dies of pneumonia.
In addition, recoveries are driven by smaller businesses, much more vulnerable to labor costs. So if fewer of those companies go into action, because they can't afford the costs, then recoveries don't happen as quickly.
What this whole Seattle minimum wage thing was really attempting to do was alter the restaurant industry. Restaurants are about the only businesses in Seattle that were paying minimum wage, and that was because most of the workers were getting tips. So, they increased the minimum wage to $15, and stipulated that tips couldn't count against that. So, a bunch of restaurants immediately went under, because they didn't have the financial backing to support it. The ones that survived were chain-owned (so costs could be distributed), or the ultra high end locally-famous restaurants (and even a bunch of those closed), or they were family-owned and operated and therefore not subject to minimum wage laws. The chains and the high end cut hours to manage costs.
Point is, all it really accomplished was to drive the startup restaurants out of the city. It was a net boon to the peripheral communities, because those minimum wage workers didn't live in Seattle, and couldn't, and still can't. So those that held on to their jobs take that money back with them to where they DO live, and when restaurant startups move out into those areas, customers and labor are attracted there. The people that still have their jobs (and yes, lots of those jobs stayed) don't realize a huge benefit, because most of them were already working at far higher than minimum wage, even though nominally they were minimum wage workers. Only now the tips have gone down to compensate (many restaurants implemented no-tipping policies to hang on to customers).
Wanna know who the minimum wage increase in Seattle really benefitted? City, County, State and Federal government. They have a steadier stream of revenue coming off the wages of minimum wage workers now, and they get to crow about how much justice there is for the workers. And there are workers who crow right along with them, the ones who are bad at math. ;)
Post by: Oyam18 on November 03, 2020, 05:56:21 PM
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 06:07:03 PM
MATHWhat a concept, right? And math always wins.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 06:40:44 PM
You're right about that. My guess is they were too busy fighting to give people healthcare to deal with it.Weren't Obama/Biden in office for the majority of that time? Congrats on the cigarsPerhaps $15 is too high for the market to bear, but to have a minimum wage that hasn't increased in 11 years and counting is unconscionable. Other than new technology, not a whole lot of things haven't increased in price in that timeframe.A UW study in 2017 indicated 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs than there would have been otherwise, and the average overall pay went down $125 due to work hours being cut. Now, from 2017-2019, that was mitigated by the growth of the Trump economy. True enough. Consumers were willing to spend more, so the bleeding was mitigated. But in an economic downturn, those jobs and the businesses that provide them are toast. And it will take a major recovery to get back to that.Can you define "a lot"? Because everything I'm reading indicates an increase in the number of jobs at the bottom of the wage floor, which is exactly what proponents of increasing the minimum are hoping for.Define worse? A lot of people lost their jobs. I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
The notion that increasing minimum wage will cause a net increase in jobs is only viable in a very hot economy where consumers will spend more - in other words, it's a trickle-down theory. Increase earnings at the upper end of the scale and it will filter down to tolerance of the higher prices that will allow job expansion at the lower end. If earnings at the upper end sneeze, the lower end dies of pneumonia.
In addition, recoveries are driven by smaller businesses, much more vulnerable to labor costs. So if fewer of those companies go into action, because they can't afford the costs, then recoveries don't happen as quickly.
Post by: razgueado on November 03, 2020, 06:50:54 PM
Fighting? They rammed that absurdity through on greased rails. They nuked cloture requirements, silencing the filibuster. Course, it made them mad when Mitch did the same thing for judges. But hey, that's politics.You're right about that. My guess is they were too busy fighting to give people healthcare to deal with it.Weren't Obama/Biden in office for the majority of that time? Congrats on the cigarsPerhaps $15 is too high for the market to bear, but to have a minimum wage that hasn't increased in 11 years and counting is unconscionable. Other than new technology, not a whole lot of things haven't increased in price in that timeframe.A UW study in 2017 indicated 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs than there would have been otherwise, and the average overall pay went down $125 due to work hours being cut. Now, from 2017-2019, that was mitigated by the growth of the Trump economy. True enough. Consumers were willing to spend more, so the bleeding was mitigated. But in an economic downturn, those jobs and the businesses that provide them are toast. And it will take a major recovery to get back to that.Can you define "a lot"? Because everything I'm reading indicates an increase in the number of jobs at the bottom of the wage floor, which is exactly what proponents of increasing the minimum are hoping for.Define worse? A lot of people lost their jobs. I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
The notion that increasing minimum wage will cause a net increase in jobs is only viable in a very hot economy where consumers will spend more - in other words, it's a trickle-down theory. Increase earnings at the upper end of the scale and it will filter down to tolerance of the higher prices that will allow job expansion at the lower end. If earnings at the upper end sneeze, the lower end dies of pneumonia.
In addition, recoveries are driven by smaller businesses, much more vulnerable to labor costs. So if fewer of those companies go into action, because they can't afford the costs, then recoveries don't happen as quickly.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on November 03, 2020, 07:07:40 PM
The fight wasn't just the passage, it included the Senate voting 40+ times to repeal it.Fighting? They rammed that absurdity through on greased rails. They nuked cloture requirements, silencing the filibuster. Course, it made them mad when Mitch did the same thing for judges. But hey, that's politics.You're right about that. My guess is they were too busy fighting to give people healthcare to deal with it.Weren't Obama/Biden in office for the majority of that time? Congrats on the cigarsPerhaps $15 is too high for the market to bear, but to have a minimum wage that hasn't increased in 11 years and counting is unconscionable. Other than new technology, not a whole lot of things haven't increased in price in that timeframe.A UW study in 2017 indicated 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs than there would have been otherwise, and the average overall pay went down $125 due to work hours being cut. Now, from 2017-2019, that was mitigated by the growth of the Trump economy. True enough. Consumers were willing to spend more, so the bleeding was mitigated. But in an economic downturn, those jobs and the businesses that provide them are toast. And it will take a major recovery to get back to that.Can you define "a lot"? Because everything I'm reading indicates an increase in the number of jobs at the bottom of the wage floor, which is exactly what proponents of increasing the minimum are hoping for.Define worse? A lot of people lost their jobs. I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
The notion that increasing minimum wage will cause a net increase in jobs is only viable in a very hot economy where consumers will spend more - in other words, it's a trickle-down theory. Increase earnings at the upper end of the scale and it will filter down to tolerance of the higher prices that will allow job expansion at the lower end. If earnings at the upper end sneeze, the lower end dies of pneumonia.
In addition, recoveries are driven by smaller businesses, much more vulnerable to labor costs. So if fewer of those companies go into action, because they can't afford the costs, then recoveries don't happen as quickly.
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 07:58:43 PM
Post by: Travellin Dave on November 03, 2020, 08:05:31 PM
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Post by: sfish on November 03, 2020, 08:11:57 PM
They also gave insurance companies an out, if ObamaCare was ever taken away, they wouldn’t have to honor pre-existing conditions. This is the fight left for Trump by that administrationFighting? They rammed that absurdity through on greased rails. They nuked cloture requirements, silencing the filibuster. Course, it made them mad when Mitch did the same thing for judges. But hey, that's politics.You're right about that. My guess is they were too busy fighting to give people healthcare to deal with it.Weren't Obama/Biden in office for the majority of that time? Congrats on the cigarsPerhaps $15 is too high for the market to bear, but to have a minimum wage that hasn't increased in 11 years and counting is unconscionable. Other than new technology, not a whole lot of things haven't increased in price in that timeframe.A UW study in 2017 indicated 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs than there would have been otherwise, and the average overall pay went down $125 due to work hours being cut. Now, from 2017-2019, that was mitigated by the growth of the Trump economy. True enough. Consumers were willing to spend more, so the bleeding was mitigated. But in an economic downturn, those jobs and the businesses that provide them are toast. And it will take a major recovery to get back to that.Can you define "a lot"? Because everything I'm reading indicates an increase in the number of jobs at the bottom of the wage floor, which is exactly what proponents of increasing the minimum are hoping for.Define worse? A lot of people lost their jobs. I suppose those who didn't lose their jobs would consider it better.Did it make it worse?Sure as hell didn't improve things in Seattle.There is also no proof that raising the minimum wage will do anything to increase unemployment, put small businesses out of business etc. If anything, business has improved in cities and states where this has been implemented.But economy was doing just fine before the big tax cut. If Trumpf hadn't bungled the economy with his random tariffs and new trade deals that are not much different from the old trade deals, the economy would have been even better during his term. "Raising Corporate Taxes" is putting them back where they were (with a little extra for all the freebies they got from Trumpf)Well said Bret. I actually think that Ohio will pay one of the biggest prices if Biden is elected. Raising corporate taxes may be the easiest cop-out and will ruin a vibrant economy. America is built on big businessAnd this is the problem with this country and this election. Everybody wants to play identity politics. It's easier. No one wants to get down to the real dividing issues, because those are no fun. It's so much fun to demand stimulus and reparations and free healthcare, and when asked "how do you propose we pay for it?" to shout "Racism!" "You hate the poor!" "You're a libtard!" "You're a Nazi!" "Kill Mitch!" That's easy.I'd like to think that were an option, but I sincerely doubt the chance of anyone here having their mind changed through discussion, myself included. I'll stick to snarky comments and thinking about sammitches, thanks.Maybe you should spend less time telling us *who's* bad, and try and persuade us of your vision of what the world should look in the future, and how you think is the best way to achieve it. Just a thought.We may got from 4 years of Russia Russia Russia to 4 years of Hunter Hunter Hunter. Or 4 more years of Russia Russia Russia. Depending on what the media company's think will sell best.What's clear is that 2024 is already shaping up to be potentially worse than this one, I think. Will we be voting for Ivanka? Biden again? Kamala? Someone in these parts already has a giant JIM JORDAN 2024 sign under their equally overcompensatingly huge Drumpf sign. I'm already exhausted for future me.
But it's true, trying to persuade me to accept a tax increase would be really, really hard. Just about as hard as trying to convince a Democrat to accept spending cuts.
Still, this is how deals are made. You can get me to give up short term profit for long term profit. That's how it's done. But you have to convince me what the long term gain is for me.
The notion that increasing minimum wage will cause a net increase in jobs is only viable in a very hot economy where consumers will spend more - in other words, it's a trickle-down theory. Increase earnings at the upper end of the scale and it will filter down to tolerance of the higher prices that will allow job expansion at the lower end. If earnings at the upper end sneeze, the lower end dies of pneumonia.
In addition, recoveries are driven by smaller businesses, much more vulnerable to labor costs. So if fewer of those companies go into action, because they can't afford the costs, then recoveries don't happen as quickly.
Post by: sfish on November 03, 2020, 08:12:53 PM
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