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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #195 on: August 17, 2015, 02:07:55 PM »

I'm sure I mention about 6 months ago that my wife's 20 year old car needed about $1,500 worth of radiator, hoses, and transmission fluid leaking into the radiator.  Well, about two weeks ago, the car will no longer hold oil.  It's coming out the oil pan, and heads, and needs another $1,500 worth of engine work.  Now I have to take her to work at 10:00 pm and pick her up at 6:00 am....  Ugh..!
Get her a bicycle :)  Meanwhile sounds like you better get a bucket for that car.
My wife said she wants a Toyota.  I check on the internet and there's allot of special deals with a $1,000 rebate making the price from $16,000 to $23,000.  I figured we could find some thing in the $17,000 - $19,000 range.  So we went to our local friendly home town Toyota dealer on Friday.
We made a deal on a Corolla for $20,000 with our sales man.  The Sales manager, who kept butting in and turning the deal into a high pressure sale, brought the contract over.  They write the deals at tables on the showroom, so your sitting in the middle of all the other salesmen and customers.  The Sales Manager brings the contract over, and points to the line I have to sign on, but his arm is over the figures so you can't see the deal.  I said, "let me take a look at this."  He wrote the deal at $21,000 instead of the $20,000 that was agreed upon.  When I asked him about it, he started raising his voice as he's explaining it. Basically, he wouldn't include the advertised $1,000 rebate.  I said, "that's not how you explained it 10 minutes ago.."  He said, "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR...?"  I said, "No, I'm saying, YOU did not explain the EXTRA $1,000 increase...!"  My wife asked me, "what's going on..?"  I said, "this guy is pulling some thing on us, and it's going to cost us another $1,000.  I'm saying, "your not getting your new car..!"  My wife starts crying and everyone is looking at us.  The Sales Manager says, "It's only $1,000."  I said, "Well, your right, it's only money.  Let's see how you like some one taking money away from you...?  My offer now is $19,500 cash...  It's only money, except now it's yours..!  The Sales Manager looked at us as if he wanted to kill us...  He started pacing around the show room, coming up to our table and pacing again.  My wife is crying.  It was very traumatic and embarrassing.  I thought I might have to fight this guy, I'm serious.  He was basically trying to screw us out of the $1,000 rebate.  He was more concerned on taking that rebate away from us than selling the car.  But I don't know what advantage he would get from removing the rebate...?  Finally he came over to our table and said, "It's time for you two to leave..!"  And, threw us out.  I walked over to our salesman and said, "We had a deal, it was all table, what just happened..?"  The salesman is looking at me like, "my boss just took my sale away from me."  We went home and I checked Truecar and the Truecar deal for that car was $19,675.  My offer was only $175 off, and yet they threw us out... ugh..!
There are a lot of Toyota dealerships that are no nonsense....some are the hard sell like you had to deal with.  Do you have any other choices for dealerships?  I would also blast off a letter to Toyota of America about your dealings with the bozo's.  If you have a Mazda dealership around, consider a 3.
We have a Honda Dealership, but I'm not sure about the Civic (size and ride).  I doubt we could afford an Accord.  We do have a Mazda, Kia, Hyundia, VW, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, and I'm sure there are some others.  My wife had her heart set on that Corolla.  It had a very nice ride, quiet, and was showing 27 mpg around town.  Oh well.., another problem to solve.
Mazda, Ford, Chevy and Hyundai all have cars comparable to and priced about the same as the Corolla.  All similar features, handling....different styles.  You just need to do the groundwork before you bring her along.
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #196 on: August 17, 2015, 02:09:39 PM »

Good day, gents.  Sorry you're going through this, BD.  But a +1 on what LTG just said.
Afternoon Mayor T, CG was making fun of you while ago but I scolded him for it.
I saw that.  Shaun can toss my salad whenever he likes.
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #197 on: August 17, 2015, 02:11:27 PM »

I'm sure I mention about 6 months ago that my wife's 20 year old car needed about $1,500 worth of radiator, hoses, and transmission fluid leaking into the radiator.  Well, about two weeks ago, the car will no longer hold oil.  It's coming out the oil pan, and heads, and needs another $1,500 worth of engine work.  Now I have to take her to work at 10:00 pm and pick her up at 6:00 am....  Ugh..!
Get her a bicycle :)  Meanwhile sounds like you better get a bucket for that car.
My wife said she wants a Toyota.  I check on the internet and there's allot of special deals with a $1,000 rebate making the price from $16,000 to $23,000.  I figured we could find some thing in the $17,000 - $19,000 range.  So we went to our local friendly home town Toyota dealer on Friday.
We made a deal on a Corolla for $20,000 with our sales man.  The Sales manager, who kept butting in and turning the deal into a high pressure sale, brought the contract over.  They write the deals at tables on the showroom, so your sitting in the middle of all the other salesmen and customers.  The Sales Manager brings the contract over, and points to the line I have to sign on, but his arm is over the figures so you can't see the deal.  I said, "let me take a look at this."  He wrote the deal at $21,000 instead of the $20,000 that was agreed upon.  When I asked him about it, he started raising his voice as he's explaining it. Basically, he wouldn't include the advertised $1,000 rebate.  I said, "that's not how you explained it 10 minutes ago.."  He said, "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR...?"  I said, "No, I'm saying, YOU did not explain the EXTRA $1,000 increase...!"  My wife asked me, "what's going on..?"  I said, "this guy is pulling some thing on us, and it's going to cost us another $1,000.  I'm saying, "your not getting your new car..!"  My wife starts crying and everyone is looking at us.  The Sales Manager says, "It's only $1,000."  I said, "Well, your right, it's only money.  Let's see how you like some one taking money away from you...?  My offer now is $19,500 cash...  It's only money, except now it's yours..!  The Sales Manager looked at us as if he wanted to kill us...  He started pacing around the show room, coming up to our table and pacing again.  My wife is crying.  It was very traumatic and embarrassing.  I thought I might have to fight this guy, I'm serious.  He was basically trying to screw us out of the $1,000 rebate.  He was more concerned on taking that rebate away from us than selling the car.  But I don't know what advantage he would get from removing the rebate...?  Finally he came over to our table and said, "It's time for you two to leave..!"  And, threw us out.  I walked over to our salesman and said, "We had a deal, it was all table, what just happened..?"  The salesman is looking at me like, "my boss just took my sale away from me."  We went home and I checked Truecar and the Truecar deal for that car was $19,675.  My offer was only $175 off, and yet they threw us out... ugh..!
Well you should have said loud enough for everyone in the showroom to hear yes I am calling you a fuk'n liar and walked out the door.   The advantage was the rebate would effectively go to the dealership,
He wasn't going to sell me that car with a rebate.  I've been sort of thinking about writing Toyota, and asking them, "Why are you offering rebates when the dealership fights to keep you from getting it...?"  And would rather lose a sale over it..?  When I got home I looked at the dealers webpage on the car I had tried to buy.  It's internet price, with tax, title, fees and license, minus the $1,000 rebate was right at $20,000.  Our original deal.  And the whole time I told them I wanted to pay cash (what we had saved + pre-approved credit union loan.)  Now we don't know what to do..?  We wanted a Toyota but now even if we went to St. Louis to buy one, we still wouldn't want to deal with this local dealership...
If you walk back into this dealership at this point, you're beyond our help.
Over the weekend I found out that my brother-in-laws sister is a salesman at that dealership.  I shot her a facebook message, and she said the salesman that lost the deal is going to his General Manager to talk about it.  So, I'm not sure if they will try to contact me or not.  Friday we went to one of our banks and cashed out our CD's and had a check made out to the dealership.  Since we closed our accounts we had to go to my credit union to deposit the check, and now there's a 5 business days hold on the money for the check to clear.  Aaaa, it just get's better and better.. :)
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #198 on: August 17, 2015, 02:13:51 PM »

I'm sure I mention about 6 months ago that my wife's 20 year old car needed about $1,500 worth of radiator, hoses, and transmission fluid leaking into the radiator.  Well, about two weeks ago, the car will no longer hold oil.  It's coming out the oil pan, and heads, and needs another $1,500 worth of engine work.  Now I have to take her to work at 10:00 pm and pick her up at 6:00 am....  Ugh..!
Get her a bicycle :)  Meanwhile sounds like you better get a bucket for that car.
My wife said she wants a Toyota.  I check on the internet and there's allot of special deals with a $1,000 rebate making the price from $16,000 to $23,000.  I figured we could find some thing in the $17,000 - $19,000 range.  So we went to our local friendly home town Toyota dealer on Friday.
We made a deal on a Corolla for $20,000 with our sales man.  The Sales manager, who kept butting in and turning the deal into a high pressure sale, brought the contract over.  They write the deals at tables on the showroom, so your sitting in the middle of all the other salesmen and customers.  The Sales Manager brings the contract over, and points to the line I have to sign on, but his arm is over the figures so you can't see the deal.  I said, "let me take a look at this."  He wrote the deal at $21,000 instead of the $20,000 that was agreed upon.  When I asked him about it, he started raising his voice as he's explaining it. Basically, he wouldn't include the advertised $1,000 rebate.  I said, "that's not how you explained it 10 minutes ago.."  He said, "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR...?"  I said, "No, I'm saying, YOU did not explain the EXTRA $1,000 increase...!"  My wife asked me, "what's going on..?"  I said, "this guy is pulling some thing on us, and it's going to cost us another $1,000.  I'm saying, "your not getting your new car..!"  My wife starts crying and everyone is looking at us.  The Sales Manager says, "It's only $1,000."  I said, "Well, your right, it's only money.  Let's see how you like some one taking money away from you...?  My offer now is $19,500 cash...  It's only money, except now it's yours..!  The Sales Manager looked at us as if he wanted to kill us...  He started pacing around the show room, coming up to our table and pacing again.  My wife is crying.  It was very traumatic and embarrassing.  I thought I might have to fight this guy, I'm serious.  He was basically trying to screw us out of the $1,000 rebate.  He was more concerned on taking that rebate away from us than selling the car.  But I don't know what advantage he would get from removing the rebate...?  Finally he came over to our table and said, "It's time for you two to leave..!"  And, threw us out.  I walked over to our salesman and said, "We had a deal, it was all table, what just happened..?"  The salesman is looking at me like, "my boss just took my sale away from me."  We went home and I checked Truecar and the Truecar deal for that car was $19,675.  My offer was only $175 off, and yet they threw us out... ugh..!
Well you should have said loud enough for everyone in the showroom to hear yes I am calling you a fuk'n liar and walked out the door.   The advantage was the rebate would effectively go to the dealership,
He wasn't going to sell me that car with a rebate.  I've been sort of thinking about writing Toyota, and asking them, "Why are you offering rebates when the dealership fights to keep you from getting it...?"  And would rather lose a sale over it..?  When I got home I looked at the dealers webpage on the car I had tried to buy.  It's internet price, with tax, title, fees and license, minus the $1,000 rebate was right at $20,000.  Our original deal.  And the whole time I told them I wanted to pay cash (what we had saved + pre-approved credit union loan.)  Now we don't know what to do..?  We wanted a Toyota but now even if we went to St. Louis to buy one, we still wouldn't want to deal with this local dealership...
There are a bunch of different Toyota Dealers in and around St Louis.
St. Louis is full of dealers, but I sure don't want to drive in that St. Louis traffic to get to them.
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #199 on: August 17, 2015, 02:17:29 PM »

Good day, gents.  Sorry you're going through this, BD.  But a +1 on what LTG just said.
Afternoon Mayor T, CG was making fun of you while ago but I scolded him for it.
I saw that.  Shaun can toss my salad whenever he likes.
Save that for the other chat site you started, sheesh.
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #200 on: August 17, 2015, 02:18:34 PM »

I'm sure I mention about 6 months ago that my wife's 20 year old car needed about $1,500 worth of radiator, hoses, and transmission fluid leaking into the radiator.  Well, about two weeks ago, the car will no longer hold oil.  It's coming out the oil pan, and heads, and needs another $1,500 worth of engine work.  Now I have to take her to work at 10:00 pm and pick her up at 6:00 am....  Ugh..!
Get her a bicycle :)  Meanwhile sounds like you better get a bucket for that car.
My wife said she wants a Toyota.  I check on the internet and there's allot of special deals with a $1,000 rebate making the price from $16,000 to $23,000.  I figured we could find some thing in the $17,000 - $19,000 range.  So we went to our local friendly home town Toyota dealer on Friday.
We made a deal on a Corolla for $20,000 with our sales man.  The Sales manager, who kept butting in and turning the deal into a high pressure sale, brought the contract over.  They write the deals at tables on the showroom, so your sitting in the middle of all the other salesmen and customers.  The Sales Manager brings the contract over, and points to the line I have to sign on, but his arm is over the figures so you can't see the deal.  I said, "let me take a look at this."  He wrote the deal at $21,000 instead of the $20,000 that was agreed upon.  When I asked him about it, he started raising his voice as he's explaining it. Basically, he wouldn't include the advertised $1,000 rebate.  I said, "that's not how you explained it 10 minutes ago.."  He said, "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR...?"  I said, "No, I'm saying, YOU did not explain the EXTRA $1,000 increase...!"  My wife asked me, "what's going on..?"  I said, "this guy is pulling some thing on us, and it's going to cost us another $1,000.  I'm saying, "your not getting your new car..!"  My wife starts crying and everyone is looking at us.  The Sales Manager says, "It's only $1,000."  I said, "Well, your right, it's only money.  Let's see how you like some one taking money away from you...?  My offer now is $19,500 cash...  It's only money, except now it's yours..!  The Sales Manager looked at us as if he wanted to kill us...  He started pacing around the show room, coming up to our table and pacing again.  My wife is crying.  It was very traumatic and embarrassing.  I thought I might have to fight this guy, I'm serious.  He was basically trying to screw us out of the $1,000 rebate.  He was more concerned on taking that rebate away from us than selling the car.  But I don't know what advantage he would get from removing the rebate...?  Finally he came over to our table and said, "It's time for you two to leave..!"  And, threw us out.  I walked over to our salesman and said, "We had a deal, it was all table, what just happened..?"  The salesman is looking at me like, "my boss just took my sale away from me."  We went home and I checked Truecar and the Truecar deal for that car was $19,675.  My offer was only $175 off, and yet they threw us out... ugh..!
Well you should have said loud enough for everyone in the showroom to hear yes I am calling you a fuk'n liar and walked out the door.   The advantage was the rebate would effectively go to the dealership,
He wasn't going to sell me that car with a rebate.  I've been sort of thinking about writing Toyota, and asking them, "Why are you offering rebates when the dealership fights to keep you from getting it...?"  And would rather lose a sale over it..?  When I got home I looked at the dealers webpage on the car I had tried to buy.  It's internet price, with tax, title, fees and license, minus the $1,000 rebate was right at $20,000.  Our original deal.  And the whole time I told them I wanted to pay cash (what we had saved + pre-approved credit union loan.)  Now we don't know what to do..?  We wanted a Toyota but now even if we went to St. Louis to buy one, we still wouldn't want to deal with this local dealership...
If you walk back into this dealership at this point, you're beyond our help.
Over the weekend I found out that my brother-in-laws sister is a salesman at that dealership.  I shot her a facebook message, and she said the salesman that lost the deal is going to his General Manager to talk about it.  So, I'm not sure if they will try to contact me or not.  Friday we went to one of our banks and cashed out our CD's and had a check made out to the dealership.  Since we closed our accounts we had to go to my credit union to deposit the check, and now there's a 5 business days hold on the money for the check to clear.  Aaaa, it just get's better and better.. :)
Dad, the 5 day hold is probably a good thing for you at this point.  Just sit back and wait 5 days then start this deal all over fresh without the warden at a dealership owned by someone else besides the crook that owns that one and don't go in with a check already made out.
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #201 on: August 17, 2015, 02:18:37 PM »

I'm sure I mention about 6 months ago that my wife's 20 year old car needed about $1,500 worth of radiator, hoses, and transmission fluid leaking into the radiator.  Well, about two weeks ago, the car will no longer hold oil.  It's coming out the oil pan, and heads, and needs another $1,500 worth of engine work.  Now I have to take her to work at 10:00 pm and pick her up at 6:00 am....  Ugh..!
Get her a bicycle :)  Meanwhile sounds like you better get a bucket for that car.
My wife said she wants a Toyota.  I check on the internet and there's allot of special deals with a $1,000 rebate making the price from $16,000 to $23,000.  I figured we could find some thing in the $17,000 - $19,000 range.  So we went to our local friendly home town Toyota dealer on Friday.
We made a deal on a Corolla for $20,000 with our sales man.  The Sales manager, who kept butting in and turning the deal into a high pressure sale, brought the contract over.  They write the deals at tables on the showroom, so your sitting in the middle of all the other salesmen and customers.  The Sales Manager brings the contract over, and points to the line I have to sign on, but his arm is over the figures so you can't see the deal.  I said, "let me take a look at this."  He wrote the deal at $21,000 instead of the $20,000 that was agreed upon.  When I asked him about it, he started raising his voice as he's explaining it. Basically, he wouldn't include the advertised $1,000 rebate.  I said, "that's not how you explained it 10 minutes ago.."  He said, "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR...?"  I said, "No, I'm saying, YOU did not explain the EXTRA $1,000 increase...!"  My wife asked me, "what's going on..?"  I said, "this guy is pulling some thing on us, and it's going to cost us another $1,000.  I'm saying, "your not getting your new car..!"  My wife starts crying and everyone is looking at us.  The Sales Manager says, "It's only $1,000."  I said, "Well, your right, it's only money.  Let's see how you like some one taking money away from you...?  My offer now is $19,500 cash...  It's only money, except now it's yours..!  The Sales Manager looked at us as if he wanted to kill us...  He started pacing around the show room, coming up to our table and pacing again.  My wife is crying.  It was very traumatic and embarrassing.  I thought I might have to fight this guy, I'm serious.  He was basically trying to screw us out of the $1,000 rebate.  He was more concerned on taking that rebate away from us than selling the car.  But I don't know what advantage he would get from removing the rebate...?  Finally he came over to our table and said, "It's time for you two to leave..!"  And, threw us out.  I walked over to our salesman and said, "We had a deal, it was all table, what just happened..?"  The salesman is looking at me like, "my boss just took my sale away from me."  We went home and I checked Truecar and the Truecar deal for that car was $19,675.  My offer was only $175 off, and yet they threw us out... ugh..!
Well you should have said loud enough for everyone in the showroom to hear yes I am calling you a fuk'n liar and walked out the door.   The advantage was the rebate would effectively go to the dealership,
He wasn't going to sell me that car with a rebate.  I've been sort of thinking about writing Toyota, and asking them, "Why are you offering rebates when the dealership fights to keep you from getting it...?"  And would rather lose a sale over it..?  When I got home I looked at the dealers webpage on the car I had tried to buy.  It's internet price, with tax, title, fees and license, minus the $1,000 rebate was right at $20,000.  Our original deal.  And the whole time I told them I wanted to pay cash (what we had saved + pre-approved credit union loan.)  Now we don't know what to do..?  We wanted a Toyota but now even if we went to St. Louis to buy one, we still wouldn't want to deal with this local dealership...
If you walk back into this dealership at this point, you're beyond our help.
Over the weekend I found out that my brother-in-laws sister is a salesman at that dealership.  I shot her a facebook message, and she said the salesman that lost the deal is going to his General Manager to talk about it.  So, I'm not sure if they will try to contact me or not.  Friday we went to one of our banks and cashed out our CD's and had a check made out to the dealership.  Since we closed our accounts we had to go to my credit union to deposit the check, and now there's a 5 business days hold on the money for the check to clear.  Aaaa, it just get's better and better.. :)
Just deposit it in your checking, then you write a personal check to whomever.
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #202 on: August 17, 2015, 02:19:50 PM »

Good day, gents.  Sorry you're going through this, BD.  But a +1 on what LTG just said.
Thanks Tony....  I really thought by now with TrueCar, Carsdirect, and other internet car buying services, that car dealers would just start offering decent prices and sell a car like anything else.  But's it's just like the 60's, 70's where buying a new car is like trying to buy some thing from a scam artist.  I wonder if they ever started selling cars to women...?
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #203 on: August 17, 2015, 02:20:15 PM »

I'm sure I mention about 6 months ago that my wife's 20 year old car needed about $1,500 worth of radiator, hoses, and transmission fluid leaking into the radiator.  Well, about two weeks ago, the car will no longer hold oil.  It's coming out the oil pan, and heads, and needs another $1,500 worth of engine work.  Now I have to take her to work at 10:00 pm and pick her up at 6:00 am....  Ugh..!
Get her a bicycle :)  Meanwhile sounds like you better get a bucket for that car.
My wife said she wants a Toyota.  I check on the internet and there's allot of special deals with a $1,000 rebate making the price from $16,000 to $23,000.  I figured we could find some thing in the $17,000 - $19,000 range.  So we went to our local friendly home town Toyota dealer on Friday.
We made a deal on a Corolla for $20,000 with our sales man.  The Sales manager, who kept butting in and turning the deal into a high pressure sale, brought the contract over.  They write the deals at tables on the showroom, so your sitting in the middle of all the other salesmen and customers.  The Sales Manager brings the contract over, and points to the line I have to sign on, but his arm is over the figures so you can't see the deal.  I said, "let me take a look at this."  He wrote the deal at $21,000 instead of the $20,000 that was agreed upon.  When I asked him about it, he started raising his voice as he's explaining it. Basically, he wouldn't include the advertised $1,000 rebate.  I said, "that's not how you explained it 10 minutes ago.."  He said, "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR...?"  I said, "No, I'm saying, YOU did not explain the EXTRA $1,000 increase...!"  My wife asked me, "what's going on..?"  I said, "this guy is pulling some thing on us, and it's going to cost us another $1,000.  I'm saying, "your not getting your new car..!"  My wife starts crying and everyone is looking at us.  The Sales Manager says, "It's only $1,000."  I said, "Well, your right, it's only money.  Let's see how you like some one taking money away from you...?  My offer now is $19,500 cash...  It's only money, except now it's yours..!  The Sales Manager looked at us as if he wanted to kill us...  He started pacing around the show room, coming up to our table and pacing again.  My wife is crying.  It was very traumatic and embarrassing.  I thought I might have to fight this guy, I'm serious.  He was basically trying to screw us out of the $1,000 rebate.  He was more concerned on taking that rebate away from us than selling the car.  But I don't know what advantage he would get from removing the rebate...?  Finally he came over to our table and said, "It's time for you two to leave..!"  And, threw us out.  I walked over to our salesman and said, "We had a deal, it was all table, what just happened..?"  The salesman is looking at me like, "my boss just took my sale away from me."  We went home and I checked Truecar and the Truecar deal for that car was $19,675.  My offer was only $175 off, and yet they threw us out... ugh..!
Well you should have said loud enough for everyone in the showroom to hear yes I am calling you a fuk'n liar and walked out the door.   The advantage was the rebate would effectively go to the dealership,
He wasn't going to sell me that car with a rebate.  I've been sort of thinking about writing Toyota, and asking them, "Why are you offering rebates when the dealership fights to keep you from getting it...?"  And would rather lose a sale over it..?  When I got home I looked at the dealers webpage on the car I had tried to buy.  It's internet price, with tax, title, fees and license, minus the $1,000 rebate was right at $20,000.  Our original deal.  And the whole time I told them I wanted to pay cash (what we had saved + pre-approved credit union loan.)  Now we don't know what to do..?  We wanted a Toyota but now even if we went to St. Louis to buy one, we still wouldn't want to deal with this local dealership...
If you walk back into this dealership at this point, you're beyond our help.
Over the weekend I found out that my brother-in-laws sister is a salesman at that dealership.  I shot her a facebook message, and she said the salesman that lost the deal is going to his General Manager to talk about it.  So, I'm not sure if they will try to contact me or not.  Friday we went to one of our banks and cashed out our CD's and had a check made out to the dealership.  Since we closed our accounts we had to go to my credit union to deposit the check, and now there's a 5 business days hold on the money for the check to clear.  Aaaa, it just get's better and better.. :)
Dad, the 5 day hold is probably a good thing for you at this point.  Just sit back and wait 5 days then start this deal all over fresh without the warden at a dealership owned by someone else besides the crook that owns that one and don't go in with a check already made out.
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #204 on: August 17, 2015, 02:20:43 PM »

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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #205 on: August 17, 2015, 02:21:03 PM »

I'm sure I mention about 6 months ago that my wife's 20 year old car needed about $1,500 worth of radiator, hoses, and transmission fluid leaking into the radiator.  Well, about two weeks ago, the car will no longer hold oil.  It's coming out the oil pan, and heads, and needs another $1,500 worth of engine work.  Now I have to take her to work at 10:00 pm and pick her up at 6:00 am....  Ugh..!
Get her a bicycle :)  Meanwhile sounds like you better get a bucket for that car.
My wife said she wants a Toyota.  I check on the internet and there's allot of special deals with a $1,000 rebate making the price from $16,000 to $23,000.  I figured we could find some thing in the $17,000 - $19,000 range.  So we went to our local friendly home town Toyota dealer on Friday.
We made a deal on a Corolla for $20,000 with our sales man.  The Sales manager, who kept butting in and turning the deal into a high pressure sale, brought the contract over.  They write the deals at tables on the showroom, so your sitting in the middle of all the other salesmen and customers.  The Sales Manager brings the contract over, and points to the line I have to sign on, but his arm is over the figures so you can't see the deal.  I said, "let me take a look at this."  He wrote the deal at $21,000 instead of the $20,000 that was agreed upon.  When I asked him about it, he started raising his voice as he's explaining it. Basically, he wouldn't include the advertised $1,000 rebate.  I said, "that's not how you explained it 10 minutes ago.."  He said, "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR...?"  I said, "No, I'm saying, YOU did not explain the EXTRA $1,000 increase...!"  My wife asked me, "what's going on..?"  I said, "this guy is pulling some thing on us, and it's going to cost us another $1,000.  I'm saying, "your not getting your new car..!"  My wife starts crying and everyone is looking at us.  The Sales Manager says, "It's only $1,000."  I said, "Well, your right, it's only money.  Let's see how you like some one taking money away from you...?  My offer now is $19,500 cash...  It's only money, except now it's yours..!  The Sales Manager looked at us as if he wanted to kill us...  He started pacing around the show room, coming up to our table and pacing again.  My wife is crying.  It was very traumatic and embarrassing.  I thought I might have to fight this guy, I'm serious.  He was basically trying to screw us out of the $1,000 rebate.  He was more concerned on taking that rebate away from us than selling the car.  But I don't know what advantage he would get from removing the rebate...?  Finally he came over to our table and said, "It's time for you two to leave..!"  And, threw us out.  I walked over to our salesman and said, "We had a deal, it was all table, what just happened..?"  The salesman is looking at me like, "my boss just took my sale away from me."  We went home and I checked Truecar and the Truecar deal for that car was $19,675.  My offer was only $175 off, and yet they threw us out... ugh..!
Well you should have said loud enough for everyone in the showroom to hear yes I am calling you a fuk'n liar and walked out the door.   The advantage was the rebate would effectively go to the dealership,
He wasn't going to sell me that car with a rebate.  I've been sort of thinking about writing Toyota, and asking them, "Why are you offering rebates when the dealership fights to keep you from getting it...?"  And would rather lose a sale over it..?  When I got home I looked at the dealers webpage on the car I had tried to buy.  It's internet price, with tax, title, fees and license, minus the $1,000 rebate was right at $20,000.  Our original deal.  And the whole time I told them I wanted to pay cash (what we had saved + pre-approved credit union loan.)  Now we don't know what to do..?  We wanted a Toyota but now even if we went to St. Louis to buy one, we still wouldn't want to deal with this local dealership...
There are a bunch of different Toyota Dealers in and around St Louis.
St. Louis is full of dealers, but I sure don't want to drive in that St. Louis traffic to get to them.
Not much we can do for you, Tuesday thru Thursday between 10 and 2 traffic in STL is not that bad at all.
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #206 on: August 17, 2015, 02:21:25 PM »

Hazzuh!
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #207 on: August 17, 2015, 02:21:49 PM »

I'm sure I mention about 6 months ago that my wife's 20 year old car needed about $1,500 worth of radiator, hoses, and transmission fluid leaking into the radiator.  Well, about two weeks ago, the car will no longer hold oil.  It's coming out the oil pan, and heads, and needs another $1,500 worth of engine work.  Now I have to take her to work at 10:00 pm and pick her up at 6:00 am....  Ugh..!
Get her a bicycle :)  Meanwhile sounds like you better get a bucket for that car.
My wife said she wants a Toyota.  I check on the internet and there's allot of special deals with a $1,000 rebate making the price from $16,000 to $23,000.  I figured we could find some thing in the $17,000 - $19,000 range.  So we went to our local friendly home town Toyota dealer on Friday.
We made a deal on a Corolla for $20,000 with our sales man.  The Sales manager, who kept butting in and turning the deal into a high pressure sale, brought the contract over.  They write the deals at tables on the showroom, so your sitting in the middle of all the other salesmen and customers.  The Sales Manager brings the contract over, and points to the line I have to sign on, but his arm is over the figures so you can't see the deal.  I said, "let me take a look at this."  He wrote the deal at $21,000 instead of the $20,000 that was agreed upon.  When I asked him about it, he started raising his voice as he's explaining it. Basically, he wouldn't include the advertised $1,000 rebate.  I said, "that's not how you explained it 10 minutes ago.."  He said, "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR...?"  I said, "No, I'm saying, YOU did not explain the EXTRA $1,000 increase...!"  My wife asked me, "what's going on..?"  I said, "this guy is pulling some thing on us, and it's going to cost us another $1,000.  I'm saying, "your not getting your new car..!"  My wife starts crying and everyone is looking at us.  The Sales Manager says, "It's only $1,000."  I said, "Well, your right, it's only money.  Let's see how you like some one taking money away from you...?  My offer now is $19,500 cash...  It's only money, except now it's yours..!  The Sales Manager looked at us as if he wanted to kill us...  He started pacing around the show room, coming up to our table and pacing again.  My wife is crying.  It was very traumatic and embarrassing.  I thought I might have to fight this guy, I'm serious.  He was basically trying to screw us out of the $1,000 rebate.  He was more concerned on taking that rebate away from us than selling the car.  But I don't know what advantage he would get from removing the rebate...?  Finally he came over to our table and said, "It's time for you two to leave..!"  And, threw us out.  I walked over to our salesman and said, "We had a deal, it was all table, what just happened..?"  The salesman is looking at me like, "my boss just took my sale away from me."  We went home and I checked Truecar and the Truecar deal for that car was $19,675.  My offer was only $175 off, and yet they threw us out... ugh..!
Well you should have said loud enough for everyone in the showroom to hear yes I am calling you a fuk'n liar and walked out the door.   The advantage was the rebate would effectively go to the dealership,
He wasn't going to sell me that car with a rebate.  I've been sort of thinking about writing Toyota, and asking them, "Why are you offering rebates when the dealership fights to keep you from getting it...?"  And would rather lose a sale over it..?  When I got home I looked at the dealers webpage on the car I had tried to buy.  It's internet price, with tax, title, fees and license, minus the $1,000 rebate was right at $20,000.  Our original deal.  And the whole time I told them I wanted to pay cash (what we had saved + pre-approved credit union loan.)  Now we don't know what to do..?  We wanted a Toyota but now even if we went to St. Louis to buy one, we still wouldn't want to deal with this local dealership...
If you walk back into this dealership at this point, you're beyond our help.
Over the weekend I found out that my brother-in-laws sister is a salesman at that dealership.  I shot her a facebook message, and she said the salesman that lost the deal is going to his General Manager to talk about it.  So, I'm not sure if they will try to contact me or not.  Friday we went to one of our banks and cashed out our CD's and had a check made out to the dealership.  Since we closed our accounts we had to go to my credit union to deposit the check, and now there's a 5 business days hold on the money for the check to clear.  Aaaa, it just get's better and better.. :)
Just deposit it in your checking, then you write a personal check to whomever.
Now you would think it would be that simple.  But they would only allow it into our savings account, and then we'll have to transfer it unto the checking once it cleared.
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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #208 on: August 17, 2015, 02:22:18 PM »

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Re: 8/17/2015
« Reply #209 on: August 17, 2015, 02:22:21 PM »

Good day, gents.  Sorry you're going through this, BD.  But a +1 on what LTG just said.
Thanks Tony....  I really thought by now with TrueCar, Carsdirect, and other internet car buying services, that car dealers would just start offering decent prices and sell a car like anything else.  But's it's just like the 60's, 70's where buying a new car is like trying to buy some thing from a scam artist.  I wonder if they ever started selling cars to women...?
They were selling that one to your wife not you was the problem.
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