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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2025, 10:30:13 AM »

Koinkidink of the day...second Fiona birthday in two days.
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2025, 10:54:46 AM »

Jammin' Joe:

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Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2025, 10:56:38 AM »

Today is apparently also National Candy Corn day. Yummo.
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2025, 11:17:24 AM »

Jammin' Joe:

Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
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| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar

$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
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La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2025, 11:28:13 AM »

Morning, muchachos.
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2025, 11:31:47 AM »

Today's Birthdays

Those born on this date are under the sign of Scorpio. They include: 


John Adams, second president of the United States, in 1735;
actor Ruth Gordon in 1896;
journalist Robert Caro in 1935 (age 90);
musician Grace Slick (Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship) in 1939 (age 86);
musician Otis Williams (Temptations) in 1941 (age 84);
actor/filmmaker Henry Winkler in 1945 (age 80);
news correspondent Andrea Mitchell in 1946 (age 79);

musician Chris Slade (AC/DC/Manfred Mann's Earth Band) in 1946 (age 79);
musician Timothy B. Schmit (Eagles/Bee Gees/Ringo Starr & His All-Starr Band/Spinal Tap) in 1947 (age 78);
actor Harry Hamlin in 1951 (age 74);
actor Kevin Pollak in 1957 (age 68);

actor Michael Beach in 1963 (age 62);
musician Gavin Rossdale (Bush) in 1965 (age 60);
actor Nia Long in 1970 (age 55);
comedian/TV personality Ben Bailey in 1970 (age 55);
actor Gael Garcνa Bernal in 1978 (age 47);
actor Matthew Morrison in 1978 (age 47);
Andorran Prime Minister Xavier Espot Zamora in 1979 (age 46);
businesswoman/first daughter Ivanka Trump in 1981 (age 44);
actor Fiona Dourif in 1981 (age 44);
actor Shaun Sipos in 1981 (age 44);
actor Clemence Poesy in 1982 (age 43);
model/actor Eva Marcille in 1984 (age 41);
model Ashley Graham in 1987 (age 38);
actor Janel Parrish in 1988 (age 37);
Team USA/International Gymnastics Hall of Fame Nastia Liukin in 1989 (age 36).
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2025, 11:34:12 AM »

Koinkidink of the day...second Fiona birthday in two days.
So close.  There was a Fanny, a Finola, and a Winona yesterday, but not a Fiona.
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2025, 11:48:43 AM »

Morning, muchachos.
Morning, Page3Raz.
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2025, 11:48:57 AM »

Jammin' Joe:

Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar

$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
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La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2025, 12:27:59 PM »

Can I approach politics again?  Only approaching.  I want to talk about "due process," which is much in the news and on the social mediums, pertaining to ICE and CBP enforcement and "removal" (aka "deportation," but deportation is actually a narrower legal term).  I don't want to get into discussions of morality, nor of the sitting president, which would inevitably take us to "politics." I just want to talk about law.

The Constitution explicitly says that no one is to be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.  But it doesn't define what due process is except skeletally.  It defines the due process of impeaching and trying a president, and it defines some specific rights pertaining to criminal prosecution - habeas corpus, speedy trial, trial by jury, right not to participate in one's own prosecution, illegal search and seizure, etc.   But broadly speaking, the Founders clearly assumed that the "due processes" would mostly be defined in common law.  Common law would of course have to conform to the constitution, and it is the Supreme Court that determines whether any statute does.

The "common law" that covers immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, hereafter referred to as the INA.  It has withstood constitutional review many times since 1952.  It is being challenged now, which is right and proper.  But...ut est, est. As it is, it is.

There are two things that stand out to me in the INA.  First, it explicitly says that unlawful presence in the United States is a civil violation, and not a criminal violation. Second, it specifically provides for expeditious removal without "a day in court."

The fact that unlawful presence in the US is a civil violation takes the processes defined in the INA out of the realm of what little the constitution says about due process, because the constitution only defines certain "due process" protections for those under criminal prosecution.  This is a dichotomy that seemingly a lot of Americans don't understand, especially on the lunatic fringes of Left and Right, and it's not just an issue of citizenship or non-citizenship.  If you are pulled over by a law-enforcement officer for speeding, your constitutional rights exist only in the abstract, because you are not under criminal indictment.  Speeding is a civil infraction (most of the time, and you'll know for certain if it isn't).  So in a traffic stop, you do not have a "right" to remain silent.  If you do refuse to speak, you could be placed under arrest, and THEN you'd most assuredly have a right to remain silent.  So there is this dichotomy between civil and criminal law, and the Constitution doesn't address civil infractions, only criminal prosecutions.

No matter what else might be true, right or otherwise, the INA says people can be removed without the formal constitutional requirements that accompany a criminal prosecution.  And this has been done under every presidential administration since Truman (and actually, every administration ever, preceding the 1952 act).  I'm not asserting it's moral, just that it is the case.`

So here's my first question:  Do you think current immigration enforcement efforts are denying people due process?  Why?

And my second question:  What do you think due process SHOULD look like for those who are unlawfully in the US?
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2025, 12:41:15 PM »

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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2025, 01:03:15 PM »

Jammin' Joe:

Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar

$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Classic Torpedo - 10/27.50
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2025, 01:20:49 PM »

Jammin' Joe:

Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar

$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Classic Torpedo - 10/27.50
Dominican Lovers 5-Star Sampler - 5/20.50
    1 - Montecristo Platinum Toro (6.0” x 50)
    1 - Romeo y Julieta 1875 Exhibicion #3 (6.0” x 50)
    1 - Montecristo White Toro (6.0” x 54)
    1 - Romeo y Julieta Reserva Real Toro (6.0” x 54)
    1 - H. Upmann 1844 Reserve Toro (6.0” x 54)
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2025, 01:36:10 PM »

Jammin' Joe:

Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar

$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Classic Torpedo - 10/27.50
Dominican Lovers 5-Star Sampler - 5/20.50
    1 - Montecristo Platinum Toro (6.0” x 50)
    1 - Romeo y Julieta 1875 Exhibicion #3 (6.0” x 50)
    1 - Montecristo White Toro (6.0” x 54)
    1 - Romeo y Julieta Reserva Real Toro (6.0” x 54)
    1 - H. Upmann 1844 Reserve Toro (6.0” x 54)
Punch Knuckle Buster Maduro Stubby - 5/17.50
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Re: 10/30/2025
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2025, 02:09:53 PM »

Jammin' Joe:

Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar

$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Classic Torpedo - 10/27.50
Dominican Lovers 5-Star Sampler - 5/20.50
    1 - Montecristo Platinum Toro (6.0” x 50)
    1 - Romeo y Julieta 1875 Exhibicion #3 (6.0” x 50)
    1 - Montecristo White Toro (6.0” x 54)
    1 - Romeo y Julieta Reserva Real Toro (6.0” x 54)
    1 - H. Upmann 1844 Reserve Toro (6.0” x 54)
Punch Knuckle Buster Maduro Stubby - 5/17.50
Nica Libre Toro - 10/27.50
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