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[A Friend of Charlie]

Sandwiches are made. Another commute day for me today.

Youngest was supposed to have her first volleyball game today, but the other team canceled. Apparently, there's a rule where you can't have more than 22 games, and the other team scheduled 23, so they axed the one against us. Still have a couple of pickups and job dropoffs to navigate later.

What's going on with the car?

Thought he said they were going to fix it next week.

OK, so I wasn't paying attention. Sue me.

[LuvTooGolf]

Sandwiches are made. Another commute day for me today.

Youngest was supposed to have her first volleyball game today, but the other team canceled. Apparently, there's a rule where you can't have more than 22 games, and the other team scheduled 23, so they axed the one against us. Still have a couple of pickups and job dropoffs to navigate later.

What's going on with the car?

Thought he said they were going to fix it next week.

OK, so I wasn't paying attention. Sue me.

I was able to square the situation with the dealership, I'm sure we can come to an arrangement without having to involve the courts.

[razgueado]

Morning, muchachos.

[LuvTooGolf]

Morning, muchachos.

Morning, NonconfrontationalRaz.

[razgueado]

Wait. During Monday's episode? You saw this with your own eyes? Because I recorded it and watched it several times and I saw/heard no such reference to Groyper nor Nick Fuentes. Perhaps he had done so on another show. I'm only bringing it up here because I'm trying to understand what happened.

No, he didn't reference the specifics. He asserted MAGA was trying to frame the shooter as "something other than one of their own." He was referring to the Fuentes/Groyper theory that was inferred by some because of the etchings on the cartridge casings. It's a bullshit theory, and any comedian who'd tried to make that kind of a joke about the killing of Gabby Giffords or Melissa Horton would have been eviscerated, and should be. It was tasteless, and for a guy who works in a milieu that is a money-loser for broadcast networks, it was stupid.

Now, could we leave this issue alone?

[LuvTooGolf]

Rick's Bills on TNF tonight, taking on the Dolphins. I'm guessing the spread on that one is pretty large.

[razgueado]

Morning, muchachos.

Morning, NonconfrontationalRaz.

I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard.

[LuvTooGolf]

Rick's Bills on TNF tonight, taking on the Dolphins. I'm guessing the spread on that one is pretty large.

I was right, 11.5. Sheesh.

[A Friend of Charlie]

Wait. During Monday's episode? You saw this with your own eyes? Because I recorded it and watched it several times and I saw/heard no such reference to Groyper nor Nick Fuentes. Perhaps he had done so on another show. I'm only bringing it up here because I'm trying to understand what happened.

No, he didn't reference the specifics. He asserted MAGA was trying to frame the shooter as "something other than one of their own." He was referring to the Fuentes/Groyper theory that was inferred by some because of the etchings on the cartridge casings. It's a bullshit theory, and any comedian who'd tried to make that kind of a joke about the killing of Gabby Giffords or Melissa Horton would have been eviscerated. It was tasteless, and for a guy who works in a milieu that is a money-loser for broadcast networks, it was stupid.

Now, could we leave this issue alone?

No, we can't leave it alone yet... I was just about to post the following:

I was listening to the news on my way in, and every time they brought up the Jimmy Kimmel shit, I was incensed. I know Raz asked me kindly to keep politics out of here, and I'm generally fine with that, but I don't even see this as a political statement. It's not being able to speak freely in case someone misinterprets your statement. The man was booted from his show because he basically said that both extremes are acting crazy. The left is celebrating the murderer (Jimmy thought this was insane and did not agree), and the right is doing everything in its power to make sure the murderer is not associated with being one of their own.

I'm sure there is more to this story. Perhaps Jimmy even posted shit on social media. But the news is stating only what I mentioned above, and nothing about Groyper or Fuentes. What am I missing?

[razgueado]

Wait. During Monday's episode? You saw this with your own eyes? Because I recorded it and watched it several times and I saw/heard no such reference to Groyper nor Nick Fuentes. Perhaps he had done so on another show. I'm only bringing it up here because I'm trying to understand what happened.

No, he didn't reference the specifics. He asserted MAGA was trying to frame the shooter as "something other than one of their own." He was referring to the Fuentes/Groyper theory that was inferred by some because of the etchings on the cartridge casings. It's a bullshit theory, and any comedian who'd tried to make that kind of a joke about the killing of Gabby Giffords or Melissa Horton would have been eviscerated. It was tasteless, and for a guy who works in a milieu that is a money-loser for broadcast networks, it was stupid.

Now, could we leave this issue alone?

No, we can't leave it alone yet... I was just about to post the following:

I was listening to the news on my way in, and every time they brought up the Jimmy Kimmel shit, I was incensed. I know Raz asked me kindly to keep politics out of here, and I'm generally fine with that, but I don't even see this as a political statement. It's not being able to speak freely in case someone misinterprets your statement. The man was booted from his show because he basically said that both extremes are acting crazy. The left is celebrating the murderer (Jimmy thought this was insane and did not agree), and the right is doing everything in its power to make sure the murderer is not associated with being one of their own.

I'm sure there is more to this story. Perhaps Jimmy even posted shit on social media. But the news is stating only what I mentioned above, and nothing about Groyper or Fuentes. What am I missing?

There was nothing equal opportunity about it. Here's the quote:

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it," Kimmel said during his opening monologue. "In between the finger-pointing, there was, uh, grieving on Friday − the White House flew the flags at half-staff, which got some criticism, but on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this."

[LuvTooGolf]

Wait. During Monday's episode? You saw this with your own eyes? Because I recorded it and watched it several times and I saw/heard no such reference to Groyper nor Nick Fuentes. Perhaps he had done so on another show. I'm only bringing it up here because I'm trying to understand what happened.

No, he didn't reference the specifics. He asserted MAGA was trying to frame the shooter as "something other than one of their own." He was referring to the Fuentes/Groyper theory that was inferred by some because of the etchings on the cartridge casings. It's a bullshit theory, and any comedian who'd tried to make that kind of a joke about the killing of Gabby Giffords or Melissa Horton would have been eviscerated. It was tasteless, and for a guy who works in a milieu that is a money-loser for broadcast networks, it was stupid.

Now, could we leave this issue alone?

No, we can't leave it alone yet... I was just about to post the following:

I was listening to the news on my way in, and every time they brought up the Jimmy Kimmel shit, I was incensed. I know Raz asked me kindly to keep politics out of here, and I'm generally fine with that, but I don't even see this as a political statement. It's not being able to speak freely in case someone misinterprets your statement. The man was booted from his show because he basically said that both extremes are acting crazy. The left is celebrating the murderer (Jimmy thought this was insane and did not agree), and the right is doing everything in its power to make sure the murderer is not associated with being one of their own.

I'm sure there is more to this story. Perhaps Jimmy even posted shit on social media. But the news is stating only what I mentioned above, and nothing about Groyper or Fuentes. What am I missing?

You have to adjust your thinking in this crazy new country we've developed here. When you have a President that brags about sexually assaulting women, calling a war hero a loser and making fun of the handicapped (and that was just during his first campaign, I don't even want to go into anything else since then), you have to calibrate your expectations. In this case, your problem is you're trying to make sense of it, and that's a fool's errand these days.

[A Friend of Charlie]

Wait. During Monday's episode? You saw this with your own eyes? Because I recorded it and watched it several times and I saw/heard no such reference to Groyper nor Nick Fuentes. Perhaps he had done so on another show. I'm only bringing it up here because I'm trying to understand what happened.

No, he didn't reference the specifics. He asserted MAGA was trying to frame the shooter as "something other than one of their own." He was referring to the Fuentes/Groyper theory that was inferred by some because of the etchings on the cartridge casings. It's a bullshit theory, and any comedian who'd tried to make that kind of a joke about the killing of Gabby Giffords or Melissa Horton would have been eviscerated. It was tasteless, and for a guy who works in a milieu that is a money-loser for broadcast networks, it was stupid.

Now, could we leave this issue alone?

No, we can't leave it alone yet... I was just about to post the following:

I was listening to the news on my way in, and every time they brought up the Jimmy Kimmel shit, I was incensed. I know Raz asked me kindly to keep politics out of here, and I'm generally fine with that, but I don't even see this as a political statement. It's not being able to speak freely in case someone misinterprets your statement. The man was booted from his show because he basically said that both extremes are acting crazy. The left is celebrating the murderer (Jimmy thought this was insane and did not agree), and the right is doing everything in its power to make sure the murderer is not associated with being one of their own.

I'm sure there is more to this story. Perhaps Jimmy even posted shit on social media. But the news is stating only what I mentioned above, and nothing about Groyper or Fuentes. What am I missing?

There was nothing equal opportunity about it. Here's the quote:

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it," Kimmel said during his opening monologue. "In between the finger-pointing, there was, uh, grieving on Friday − the White House flew the flags at half-staff, which got some criticism, but on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this."

This is one of those, we'll have to agree to disagree things. I don't see anything egregious there, even when the single statement is taken out of context. In the country I thought I was living in, people were allowed to say the above without fearing they would get their FCC license revoked or be fired.

[razgueado]

Now, if we'd all like to discuss our mutual condemnation of political violence, and discuss how it isn't a left/right issue, and even discuss how far is too far in political rhetoric, then I'm in.

But if we're going to trot out the false and distorted narratives about Charlie Kirk, and bemoan the "censoring" of a comedian - which this isn't by any stretch of the word - then I'll consider the temperature taken and I'll take my leave.

[LuvTooGolf]

Wait. During Monday's episode? You saw this with your own eyes? Because I recorded it and watched it several times and I saw/heard no such reference to Groyper nor Nick Fuentes. Perhaps he had done so on another show. I'm only bringing it up here because I'm trying to understand what happened.

No, he didn't reference the specifics. He asserted MAGA was trying to frame the shooter as "something other than one of their own." He was referring to the Fuentes/Groyper theory that was inferred by some because of the etchings on the cartridge casings. It's a bullshit theory, and any comedian who'd tried to make that kind of a joke about the killing of Gabby Giffords or Melissa Horton would have been eviscerated. It was tasteless, and for a guy who works in a milieu that is a money-loser for broadcast networks, it was stupid.

Now, could we leave this issue alone?

No, we can't leave it alone yet... I was just about to post the following:

I was listening to the news on my way in, and every time they brought up the Jimmy Kimmel shit, I was incensed. I know Raz asked me kindly to keep politics out of here, and I'm generally fine with that, but I don't even see this as a political statement. It's not being able to speak freely in case someone misinterprets your statement. The man was booted from his show because he basically said that both extremes are acting crazy. The left is celebrating the murderer (Jimmy thought this was insane and did not agree), and the right is doing everything in its power to make sure the murderer is not associated with being one of their own.

I'm sure there is more to this story. Perhaps Jimmy even posted shit on social media. But the news is stating only what I mentioned above, and nothing about Groyper or Fuentes. What am I missing?

There was nothing equal opportunity about it. Here's the quote:

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it," Kimmel said during his opening monologue. "In between the finger-pointing, there was, uh, grieving on Friday − the White House flew the flags at half-staff, which got some criticism, but on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this."

Was that all he said about Kirk? Because I read that quote yesterday as well, but based on how you reacted, I thought maybe there was more to it that just wasn't included in the article. Obviously, I didn't hear him say it, but I don't even see which part of that would be construed as an inappropriate joke. Like Tony said, it kinda sounds like he's just summarizing the situation. Yes, some on the left are celebrating his death, and yes, some on the right are trying to use the situation to score political points.

If you don't want to discuss it anymore, that's fair enough, I just don't see why that's so terrible. I don't even think I can say it's in bad taste, because again, he's basically describing the situation.

[razgueado]

Wait. During Monday's episode? You saw this with your own eyes? Because I recorded it and watched it several times and I saw/heard no such reference to Groyper nor Nick Fuentes. Perhaps he had done so on another show. I'm only bringing it up here because I'm trying to understand what happened.

No, he didn't reference the specifics. He asserted MAGA was trying to frame the shooter as "something other than one of their own." He was referring to the Fuentes/Groyper theory that was inferred by some because of the etchings on the cartridge casings. It's a bullshit theory, and any comedian who'd tried to make that kind of a joke about the killing of Gabby Giffords or Melissa Horton would have been eviscerated. It was tasteless, and for a guy who works in a milieu that is a money-loser for broadcast networks, it was stupid.

Now, could we leave this issue alone?

No, we can't leave it alone yet... I was just about to post the following:

I was listening to the news on my way in, and every time they brought up the Jimmy Kimmel shit, I was incensed. I know Raz asked me kindly to keep politics out of here, and I'm generally fine with that, but I don't even see this as a political statement. It's not being able to speak freely in case someone misinterprets your statement. The man was booted from his show because he basically said that both extremes are acting crazy. The left is celebrating the murderer (Jimmy thought this was insane and did not agree), and the right is doing everything in its power to make sure the murderer is not associated with being one of their own.

I'm sure there is more to this story. Perhaps Jimmy even posted shit on social media. But the news is stating only what I mentioned above, and nothing about Groyper or Fuentes. What am I missing?

There was nothing equal opportunity about it. Here's the quote:

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it," Kimmel said during his opening monologue. "In between the finger-pointing, there was, uh, grieving on Friday − the White House flew the flags at half-staff, which got some criticism, but on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this."

This is one of those, we'll have to agree to disagree things. I don't see anything egregious there, even when the single statement is taken out of context. In the country I thought I was living in, people were allowed to say the above without fearing they would get their FCC license revoked or be fired.

The First Amendment limits the government, not an employer. If an employer doesn't like what an employee is saying while making use of its facilities, the employer can stop them from doing so, and the employee can find some other means of exercising their first amendment rights.