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[Travellin Dave]

Debate for Razman today.

Top 20 acoustic and electric guitar intros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UNuqYFP-pM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpY_9qY-j1g

I'm up to 12 (counting down) on the acoustic list and I am liking the list so far. Solsbury Hill and Pinball Wizard especially. Curious to see what didn't make the list. I will resume after my current meeting.

He deviates from his definition for "Pinball Wizard."  His definition of a great intro includes a melodic hook, and all of his examples have a melodic component, except that one which is just harmony.   It's a great acoustic intro, to be sure, but I'd have to tweak him about his definition at that point.

Yea, he is a little "flexible" with his own criteria, but nice lists in any case.  Generally (but not always) he picks one song from a band that would potentially have many worth candidates.

[A Friend of Charlie]

Debate for Razman today.

Top 20 acoustic and electric guitar intros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UNuqYFP-pM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpY_9qY-j1g

I'm up to 12 (counting down) on the acoustic list and I am liking the list so far. Solsbury Hill and Pinball Wizard especially. Curious to see what didn't make the list. I will resume after my current meeting.

He deviates from his definition for "Pinball Wizard."  His definition of a great intro includes a melodic hook, and all of his examples have a melodic component, except that one which is just harmony.   It's a great acoustic intro, to be sure, but I'd have to tweak him about his definition at that point.

Yea, he is a little "flexible" with his own criteria, but nice lists in any case.  Generally (but not always) he picks one song from a band that would potentially have many worth candidates.

It was a welcomed deviation from the typical banter.

[razgueado]

why is murder illegal?

God gave Moses the Ten Commandments in the Book of Exodus on two tablets of stone on Mount Sinai to confirm the moral principles of the covenant between God and the Israelites.
Wasn't everything originally built off morale law?

Well, yes and no. Moses' tablets didn't confirm the covenant, but are indeed a set of foundational moral principles. The covenant had been articulated centuries before Moses went up on Mt Sinai.

The moral impulse against murder is universal in humanity and is rooted in the Imago Dei. To kill without justifiable cause is to rebel against what defines us as human, which is that we have the fundamental intellectual capability and creativity of God, but are NOT God. To claim the authority of God to oneself is to defy God and the cosmos itself, and turns one into a "demon" incapable of accomplishing anything in the cosmos but to destroy. This is the significance of Moses' tablets - whether you believe the story or don't - those tablets articulate what it means to be human, rather than demonic, and and are the earliest such articulation I can find in history that defines humanity as something that is not derived from the interest of the State, or of society.

All earlier codes that we have found (Hammurabi, etc) defined morality in terms of the state's or society's interest. This is why the Ten Commandments have achieved the historical significance they have, regardless of belief in God.

[razgueado]

I have another question for GuitarBanter. Why does Bret spell Rasgueado with a Z?

A rasgueado is a guitar technique. Raz Gueado is a name I created based on the name of the technique. Razgueado is that name represented according to certain limitations of the internet.

[razgueado]

why is murder illegal?

Because the government doesn't like competition.

When our colonies were established. Did they not have the principals of Christianity in mind? Is kind of more what I meant to say

Some of the early colonists did, some didn't.

The principles originate in Judaism, and were refined by a sect of Judaism that came to be known as Christianity. Those principles did indeed come to have a profound impact on European civilization, and became something of a universal moral civics. But many philosophers sought to divorce them from the religions of Judaism and Christianity, and not unjustifiably so, because both religions focus at their core on the concept of Immanuel - "God with us" - but disagree on its meaning, and demanding conformity to a religion is unworkable in governing justly.

By the time of the Founders, most recognized the origins of the principles, some believed in the religions to greater or lesser degrees, and others believed the principles were simply self-evident.

[A Friend of Charlie]

I have another question for GuitarBanter. Why does Bret spell Rasgueado with a Z?

A rasgueado is a guitar technique. Raz Gueado is a name I created based on the name of the technique. Razgueado is that name represented according to certain limitations of the internet.

Whilst procrastinating, I watched some rasgueado videos on YouTube. Very cool.

[razgueado]

why is murder illegal?

Because the government doesn't like competition.

When our colonies were established. Did they not have the principals of Christianity in mind? Is kind of more what I meant to say

But yes...Western Civilization began when St. Paul first crossed into Europe from Asia, bringing with him a novel concept of humanity that had been brilliantly articulated by a Jewish rabbi and that was hitherto little-known or embraced - the notion that humans have inherent significance, value and responsibility that supercedes the interests of the State.

[LuvTooGolf]

From GuitarBanter to PhilosophyBanter.

[bluecollar]

Hey Raz. I've been taking a lot of interest in reading the bible in the past year. So much has been revealed to me that I really think we wouldn't have half the problems in this world if others took the same leap of faith.

[FloridaDean]

why is murder illegal? 🙄

glad I asked. 😅

[FloridaDean]

A U.S. Marine enters the Catholic Church confessional booth in Portland, Oregon.
He  says, "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.  Last night, I beat the  ever living crap out of a flag burning, cop hating, anti-president protester."
The priest says, "My son, I am here to forgive your sins, not to discuss your community service."

[LuvTooGolf]

Feels like I'm getting out of here just in time. Hazzuh!

[razgueado]

From GuitarBanter to PhilosophyBanter.

It's an interesting exercise, to attempt to concisely expound my views on the origins and importance of Western Civilization in terms that recognize its religious origins without delving into the gospel that birthed it.

To attempt to completely divorce it from its origins is scientifically dishonest to a comical degree, but at the same time the viability of the principles does not depend on acceptance of the divinity of Jesus.

[razgueado]

Hey Raz. I've been taking a lot of interest in reading the bible in the past year. So much has been revealed to me that I really think we wouldn't have half the problems in this world if others took the same leap of faith.

I can make it almost absurdly simple. The perfect society, and indeed the perfect existence, is one in which everyone looks first to the interest of everyone else rather than their own interests. In this way, the interest of everyone in the society is accounted for. This was inherent in the teaching of Jesus, but as Jesus pointed out can only be realized on the basis of utter faith in God, because so long as there is the fear of outrageous fortune, humans will exercise their instinct for self-preservation and aggrandizement to at least some degree. Short of utter faith, only compromise can be achieved, and that society will be best, and freest, that most faithully implements the compromises that support the inherent value of humans.

[Travellin Dave]

Chores done, time to start the weekend.