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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #60 on: September 24, 2021, 11:31:01 AM »

Debate for Razman today.

Top 20 acoustic and electric guitar intros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UNuqYFP-pM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpY_9qY-j1g
I'm up to 12 (counting down) on the acoustic list and I am liking the list so far. Solsbury Hill and Pinball Wizard especially. Curious to see what didn't make the list. I will resume after my current meeting.
He deviates from his definition for "Pinball Wizard."  His definition of a great intro includes a melodic hook, and all of his examples have a melodic component, except that one which is just harmony.   It's a great acoustic intro, to be sure, but I'd have to tweak him about his definition at that point. 
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #61 on: September 24, 2021, 11:34:36 AM »

Morning, muchachos.
Morning, SticklerRaz.
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2021, 11:50:19 AM »

Debate for Razman today.

Top 20 acoustic and electric guitar intros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UNuqYFP-pM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpY_9qY-j1g
I don't usually disagree with Rick Beato.  I may quibble over numeric order.  There are some obscure intros I think are better than many of these (i.e. Dan Fogelberg's "Changing Horses"), but the fact that they are obscure means they can't be considered "greatest."

I could also quibble with his definition of what constitutes a guitar "intro," but at least he has one, and his list is cohesive with it.
I only went through the acoustic so far. I am not as well versed but I didn't think the list was bad. Perhaps a bit Jimmy Page heavy. His honorable mentions were questionable. The following should have made it into the list:
Dust in the Wind - Kansas
Romeo and Juliet - Dire Straights
I'd disagree with either of those beating out anything that made his top 20.  An intro doesn't have to be complicated to be great, in fact none of the intros in his list are particularly complicated.  Some of them sound complicated, but that's part of what makes them great.  But what his list has in common is interesting harmonic movement. 

The intro to Romeo and Juliet is just a I-IV-V progression fingerpicked as arpeggios on a National Steel resonator guitar.  It's a lovely sound, and it's a great song, but there's nothing musically interesting there. 

"Dust in the Wind" is slightly more interesting.  It has harmonic movement, akin to "Pinball Wizard's" placing a bunch of chords over an F# drone note.  On paper, it's really interesting - C to Cmaj7 to Cadd 9, Asus2 to Asus4 to Am.  Looks cool.  But the song began as an etude (an exercise) created by Kerry Livgren to improve the dexterity of his pinky finger on his fretting hand.  So all the melodic movement happens on one string. It's a classic of simplicity.  Maybe goes in the top 30, but it won't beat anything out in the top 20, IMHO.
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2021, 11:52:51 AM »

So I put on my bomb protective gear and had at it...

A very nice bomb indeed. I thought the bet was for a connie 5er but I ain't complaining.

I'm glad it got to you safely. Enjoy a smoke on me
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2021, 11:55:08 AM »

Morning, muchachos.
Morning, SticklerRaz.
I'm going to save the electric intros for another day.  I'm sure that list is more likely to rile me, and I don't have the time to write the essays it will provoke today.  It's band jam day.
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2021, 11:59:32 AM »

Debate for Razman today.

Top 20 acoustic and electric guitar intros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UNuqYFP-pM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpY_9qY-j1g
I don't usually disagree with Rick Beato.  I may quibble over numeric order.  There are some obscure intros I think are better than many of these (i.e. Dan Fogelberg's "Changing Horses"), but the fact that they are obscure means they can't be considered "greatest."

I could also quibble with his definition of what constitutes a guitar "intro," but at least he has one, and his list is cohesive with it.
I only went through the acoustic so far. I am not as well versed but I didn't think the list was bad. Perhaps a bit Jimmy Page heavy. His honorable mentions were questionable. The following should have made it into the list:
Dust in the Wind - Kansas
Romeo and Juliet - Dire Straights
I'd disagree with either of those beating out anything that made his top 20.  An intro doesn't have to be complicated to be great, in fact none of the intros in his list are particularly complicated.  Some of them sound complicated, but that's part of what makes them great.  But what his list has in common is interesting harmonic movement. 

The intro to Romeo and Juliet is just a I-IV-V progression fingerpicked as arpeggios on a National Steel resonator guitar.  It's a lovely sound, and it's a great song, but there's nothing musically interesting there. 

"Dust in the Wind" is slightly more interesting.  It has harmonic movement, akin to "Pinball Wizard's" placing a bunch of chords over an F# drone note.  On paper, it's really interesting - C to Cmaj7 to Cadd 9, Asus2 to Asus4 to Am.  Looks cool.  But the song began as an etude (an exercise) created by Kerry Livgren to improve the dexterity of his pinky finger on his fretting hand.  So all the melodic movement happens on one string. It's a classic of simplicity.  Maybe goes in the top 30, but it won't beat anything out in the top 20, IMHO.
Fair enough. I don't know much about music other than I like or dislike something. I listened to the electric guitar intros now and I am not angry at that one either. #1 was kind of funny but iconic to say the least.
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2021, 12:08:04 PM »

Welcome to GuitarBanter. Thanks @Travellin Dave for the fodder.
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2021, 12:11:54 PM »

why is murder illegal? 🙄
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2021, 12:17:01 PM »

why is murder illegal?
God gave Moses the Ten Commandments in the Book of Exodus on two tablets of stone on Mount Sinai to confirm the moral principles of the covenant between God and the Israelites.
Wasn't everything originally built off morale law?
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2021, 12:25:46 PM »

why is murder illegal? 🙄
Only recently learned that there is a Zone of Death, 50 sq mi Idaho section of Yellowstone National Park in which it isn't illegal. I also wonder whose jurisdiction is the middle of the ocean? Not that I have given this much thought. Just sayin'.
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2021, 12:33:55 PM »

why is murder illegal? 🙄
How far can you get in your kayak?
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2021, 12:37:13 PM »

why is murder illegal?
Because the government doesn't like competition.
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2021, 12:48:23 PM »

I have another question for GuitarBanter. Why does Bret spell Rasgueado with a Z?
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2021, 12:52:11 PM »

why is murder illegal? 🙄
Only recently learned that there is a Zone of Death, 50 sq mi Idaho section of Yellowstone National Park in which it isn't illegal. I also wonder whose jurisdiction is the middle of the ocean? Not that I have given this much thought. Just sayin'.
ROAD TRIP!
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Re: 9/24/2021
« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2021, 12:53:23 PM »

why is murder illegal?
Because the government doesn't like competition.
When our colonies were established. Did they not have the principals of Christianity in mind? Is kind of more what I meant to say
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