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Cigar Banter => Daily Cigar Deals Discussion => Topic started by: CigarBanter on October 30, 2025, 02:09:05 AM
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What's up cigar enthusiasts?! Any cigar deals on the various internet sites that are worth talking about? Join in this discussion and perhaps learn something along the way. Warning: don't proceed if you have thin skin but don't be afraid to post either... And welcome aboard!
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Morning, boyos.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
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Sis:
Door #1 - Primeros Regionals Cuban Toro - 40/59.99
Door #2 - Punch Power Pack "15-Cigar Sampler" - 15/54.99
3 Punch Clasico Natural Pita (6.1 x 50)
3 Punch Gran Puro Nicaragua Toro (6.0 x 54)
3 Punch Gran Puro Toro (6.0 x 50)
3 Punch Signature Pita (6.0 x 50)
3 Punch Bareknuckle Pita (6.0 x 50)
Door #3 - Nub Anthology Sampler Pack of 16 - 16/64.99
4 x NUB Cameroon 460 (4.0x60)
4 x NUB Connecticut 460 (4.0x60)
4 x NUB DUB 460 (4.0x60)
4 x NUB PLUS Habano 560 (5.0x60)
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
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Morning, boyos.
Happy Little Friday!
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Only about 6 more months until Summer!
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Only about 6 more months until Summer!
Well now there's a bummer. :D
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
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Only about 6 more months until Summer!
Well now there's a bummer. :D
But we're jammin'.
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And it's also commute day, and it's raining here. Already know it won't be a good one.
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And it's also commute day, and it's raining here. Already know it won't be a good one.
Rain here as well, and continuing through Saturday. Gonna make tomorrow night a bit of a drag.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
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Good time to get the Punch sampler if you want to save $5 off the Sis price.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
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And it's also commute day, and it's raining here. Already know it won't be a good one.
100 minutes from door to door with two drop offs.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
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And it's also commute day, and it's raining here. Already know it won't be a good one.
100 minutes from door to door with two drop offs.
These posts always make me appreciate working from home full time.
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Morning, boyos.
Happy Little Friday!
And Tick-tack night! *
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Rocky Patel Broadleaf Robusto - 10/39.99
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Morning, boyos.
Happy Little Friday!
And Tick-tack night! *
Had to look that one up, never heard it called that before.
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Morning, boyos.
Happy Little Friday!
And Tick-tack night! *
* Tick-tack night, the night before Halloween also called mischief night was anticipated as a pre-teen and early teen almost more than Halloween itself. Used to collect (at great risk due to nasty farmers with their vicious dogs, horse corn, shuck it with great damage to the hands and store it in a secret place. Add a collection of soap (for soaping windows), toilet paper and maybe even eggs....
The reason it's called tick-tack is the sound of throwing a handfull of horse corn to front windows of a house.
You would probably get arrested or shot today for what we did.
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Some additional names for you:
https://www.cincinnatimagazine.com/article/in-old-cincinnati-nights-before-halloween-were-packed-with-more-tricks-than-treats/
Let us, for the moment, leave aside the fact that this invitation was addressed only to boys, and focus on those additional nights. What was Cabbage Night? What was Corn Night? And, depending on where you lived in the United States, what was Gate Night, Goosey Night, Devils Night, Tick-Tack Night, Mischief Night, Beggars Night, Trick Night and Damage Night?
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Today is Thursday, Oct. 30, the 303rd day of 2025
with 62 to follow.
The moon is waxing. Morning stars are Jupiter, Mars, Neptune, Saturn and Uranus. Evening stars are Jupiter, Mars, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, Uranus and Venus.
On this date in history:
In 1534, the Act of Supremacy, making King Henry VIII head of the Church of England, is passed by Parliament.
In 1817, Simon Bolivar established the independent government of Venezuela.
In 1864, "Last Chance Gulch" delivered gold for four prospectors in Montana and the town of Helena was born.
In 1918, the Ottoman Empire signed an armistice with the Allies, ending the First World War in the Middle East and bringing about the dismantling of the more than 600-year-old kingdom.
In 1938, Orson Welles triggered some radio listeners to panic with a realistic dramatization of a martian invasion, based on H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds.
In 1953, National Security Council Paper No. 162/2 is signed by President Dwight Eisenhower. The top secret document affirmed that the nuclear arsenal of the United States was to maintained and expanded in an effort to counter the Soviet Union.
In 1961, the massive, 50 megaton hydrogen bomb Tsar Bomba was detonated by the Soviet Union over Novaya Zemlya.
In 1972, two commuter trains crashed in Chicago, killing 45 people and injuring more than 300. It was the country's worst rail disaster in 14 years and it wouldn't be eclipsed for another two decades.
In 1974, Muhammad Ali and George Foreman slugged it out in Kinshasa, Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo), in The Rumble in the Jungle.
In 1975, with dictator Francisco Franco near death, Prince Juan Carlos assumed power in Spain. Franco died three weeks later.
In 1983, the Rev. Jesse Jackson announced plans to become the first African American to mount a full-scale campaign for the Democratic Party presidential nomination in the United States.
In 1995, by a narrow margin, Quebec voters decided to remain a part of Canada.
In 2005, Indian authorities sent army divers to look for people trapped in a derailed train near Veligonda during massive flooding. Officials said 112 died in the train wreck and another 100 in floods.
In 2008, the U.S. gross domestic product dropped 0.3 percent, government officials said. It was the first decrease in the GDP in 17 years.
In 2009, U.S. President Barack Obama announced he would end the U.S. travel and immigration restrictions on people infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
In 2010, security screening of cargo and air passengers in the United States, Britain and Canada was stepped up after bombs were found in packages from Yemen to two Chicago synagogues.
In 2018, notorious Boston mob boss James "Whitey" Bulger was found dead at high-security USP Hazelton one day after he was transferred to the Brockton Mills, W.Va., prison. A medical examiner said he died from blunt-force injuries to his head -- likely from a fellow prisoner beating him with a prison lock inside a sock.
In 2020, a 7-magnitude earthquake in the Aegean Sea rocked Turkey and Greece, killing some 119 people and leaving 15,000 homeless.
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A thought for the day: "Truth is not determined by a majority vote." -- Pope Benedict XVI
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Today's Birthdays
Those born on this date are under the sign of Scorpio. They include:
John Adams, second president of the United States, in 1735;
actor Ruth Gordon in 1896;
journalist Robert Caro in 1935 (age 90);
musician Grace Slick (Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship) in 1939 (age 86);
musician Otis Williams (Temptations) in 1941 (age 84);
actor/filmmaker Henry Winkler in 1945 (age 80);
news correspondent Andrea Mitchell in 1946 (age 79);
musician Chris Slade (AC/DC/Manfred Mann's Earth Band) in 1946 (age 79);
musician Timothy B. Schmit (Eagles/Bee Gees/Ringo Starr & His All-Starr Band/Spinal Tap) in 1947 (age 78);
actor Harry Hamlin in 1951 (age 74);
actor Kevin Pollak in 1957 (age 68);
actor Michael Beach in 1963 (age 62);
musician Gavin Rossdale (Bush) in 1965 (age 60);
actor Nia Long in 1970 (age 55);
comedian/TV personality Ben Bailey in 1970 (age 55);
actor Gael Garcํa Bernal in 1978 (age 47);
actor Matthew Morrison in 1978 (age 47);
Andorran Prime Minister Xavier Espot Zamora in 1979 (age 46);
businesswoman/first daughter Ivanka Trump in 1981 (age 44);
actor Fiona Dourif in 1981 (age 44);
actor Shaun Sipos in 1981 (age 44);
actor Clemence Poesy in 1982 (age 43);
model/actor Eva Marcille in 1984 (age 41);
model Ashley Graham in 1987 (age 38);
actor Janel Parrish in 1988 (age 37);
Team USA/International Gymnastics Hall of Fame Nastia Liukin in 1989 (age 36).
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Today's Over/Under is 8
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
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Today's Over/Under is 8
7
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Morning, boyos.
Happy Little Friday!
And Tick-tack night! *
* Tick-tack night, the night before Halloween also called mischief night was anticipated as a pre-teen and early teen almost more than Halloween itself. Used to collect (at great risk due to nasty farmers with their vicious dogs, horse corn, shuck it with great damage to the hands and store it in a secret place. Add a collection of soap (for soaping windows), toilet paper and maybe even eggs....
The reason it's called tick-tack is the sound of throwing a handfull of horse corn to front windows of a house.
You would probably get arrested or shot today for what we did.
Also today, we don't want to waste toilet paper or eggs.
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Koinkidink of the day...second Fiona birthday in two days.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
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Today is apparently also National Candy Corn day. Yummo.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
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Morning, muchachos.
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Today's Birthdays
Those born on this date are under the sign of Scorpio. They include:
John Adams, second president of the United States, in 1735;
actor Ruth Gordon in 1896;
journalist Robert Caro in 1935 (age 90);
musician Grace Slick (Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship) in 1939 (age 86);
musician Otis Williams (Temptations) in 1941 (age 84);
actor/filmmaker Henry Winkler in 1945 (age 80);
news correspondent Andrea Mitchell in 1946 (age 79);
musician Chris Slade (AC/DC/Manfred Mann's Earth Band) in 1946 (age 79);
musician Timothy B. Schmit (Eagles/Bee Gees/Ringo Starr & His All-Starr Band/Spinal Tap) in 1947 (age 78);
actor Harry Hamlin in 1951 (age 74);
actor Kevin Pollak in 1957 (age 68);
actor Michael Beach in 1963 (age 62);
musician Gavin Rossdale (Bush) in 1965 (age 60);
actor Nia Long in 1970 (age 55);
comedian/TV personality Ben Bailey in 1970 (age 55);
actor Gael Garcํa Bernal in 1978 (age 47);
actor Matthew Morrison in 1978 (age 47);
Andorran Prime Minister Xavier Espot Zamora in 1979 (age 46);
businesswoman/first daughter Ivanka Trump in 1981 (age 44);
actor Fiona Dourif in 1981 (age 44);
actor Shaun Sipos in 1981 (age 44);
actor Clemence Poesy in 1982 (age 43);
model/actor Eva Marcille in 1984 (age 41);
model Ashley Graham in 1987 (age 38);
actor Janel Parrish in 1988 (age 37);
Team USA/International Gymnastics Hall of Fame Nastia Liukin in 1989 (age 36).
Nine.
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Koinkidink of the day...second Fiona birthday in two days.
So close. There was a Fanny, a Finola, and a Winona yesterday, but not a Fiona.
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Morning, muchachos.
Morning, Page3Raz.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
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Can I approach politics again? Only approaching. I want to talk about "due process," which is much in the news and on the social mediums, pertaining to ICE and CBP enforcement and "removal" (aka "deportation," but deportation is actually a narrower legal term). I don't want to get into discussions of morality, nor of the sitting president, which would inevitably take us to "politics." I just want to talk about law.
The Constitution explicitly says that no one is to be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. But it doesn't define what due process is except skeletally. It defines the due process of impeaching and trying a president, and it defines some specific rights pertaining to criminal prosecution - habeas corpus, speedy trial, trial by jury, right not to participate in one's own prosecution, illegal search and seizure, etc. But broadly speaking, the Founders clearly assumed that the "due processes" would mostly be defined in common law. Common law would of course have to conform to the constitution, and it is the Supreme Court that determines whether any statute does.
The "common law" that covers immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, hereafter referred to as the INA. It has withstood constitutional review many times since 1952. It is being challenged now, which is right and proper. But...ut est, est. As it is, it is.
There are two things that stand out to me in the INA. First, it explicitly says that unlawful presence in the United States is a civil violation, and not a criminal violation. Second, it specifically provides for expeditious removal without "a day in court."
The fact that unlawful presence in the US is a civil violation takes the processes defined in the INA out of the realm of what little the constitution says about due process, because the constitution only defines certain "due process" protections for those under criminal prosecution. This is a dichotomy that seemingly a lot of Americans don't understand, especially on the lunatic fringes of Left and Right, and it's not just an issue of citizenship or non-citizenship. If you are pulled over by a law-enforcement officer for speeding, your constitutional rights exist only in the abstract, because you are not under criminal indictment. Speeding is a civil infraction (most of the time, and you'll know for certain if it isn't). So in a traffic stop, you do not have a "right" to remain silent. If you do refuse to speak, you could be placed under arrest, and THEN you'd most assuredly have a right to remain silent. So there is this dichotomy between civil and criminal law, and the Constitution doesn't address civil infractions, only criminal prosecutions.
No matter what else might be true, right or otherwise, the INA says people can be removed without the formal constitutional requirements that accompany a criminal prosecution. And this has been done under every presidential administration since Truman (and actually, every administration ever, preceding the 1952 act). I'm not asserting it's moral, just that it is the case.`
So here's my first question: Do you think current immigration enforcement efforts are denying people due process? Why?
And my second question: What do you think due process SHOULD look like for those who are unlawfully in the US?
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Classic Torpedo - 10/27.50
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Classic Torpedo - 10/27.50
Dominican Lovers 5-Star Sampler - 5/20.50
1 - Montecristo Platinum Toro (6.0 x 50)
1 - Romeo y Julieta 1875 Exhibicion #3 (6.0 x 50)
1 - Montecristo White Toro (6.0 x 54)
1 - Romeo y Julieta Reserva Real Toro (6.0 x 54)
1 - H. Upmann 1844 Reserve Toro (6.0 x 54)
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Classic Torpedo - 10/27.50
Dominican Lovers 5-Star Sampler - 5/20.50
1 - Montecristo Platinum Toro (6.0 x 50)
1 - Romeo y Julieta 1875 Exhibicion #3 (6.0 x 50)
1 - Montecristo White Toro (6.0 x 54)
1 - Romeo y Julieta Reserva Real Toro (6.0 x 54)
1 - H. Upmann 1844 Reserve Toro (6.0 x 54)
Punch Knuckle Buster Maduro Stubby - 5/17.50
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Classic Torpedo - 10/27.50
Dominican Lovers 5-Star Sampler - 5/20.50
1 - Montecristo Platinum Toro (6.0 x 50)
1 - Romeo y Julieta 1875 Exhibicion #3 (6.0 x 50)
1 - Montecristo White Toro (6.0 x 54)
1 - Romeo y Julieta Reserva Real Toro (6.0 x 54)
1 - H. Upmann 1844 Reserve Toro (6.0 x 54)
Punch Knuckle Buster Maduro Stubby - 5/17.50
Nica Libre Toro - 10/27.50
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
CAO Flathead V660 Carb
(6.0"x60)Pack of 5
| MSRP: $12.49 per cigar
$10.80 per cigar
$53.99 total price
Save 14% Not much of a bargain here....
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Koinkidink of the day...second Fiona birthday in two days.
So close. There was a Fanny, a Finola, and a Winona yesterday, but not a Fiona.
That will teach me to rely on my memory. Finola, Fiona....tomato, tomaato
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Oops, fartin' around and missed my page 3 cue.
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with...
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then...
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finally...
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Can I approach politics again? Only approaching. I want to talk about "due process," which is much in the news and on the social mediums, pertaining to ICE and CBP enforcement and "removal" (aka "deportation," but deportation is actually a narrower legal term). I don't want to get into discussions of morality, nor of the sitting president, which would inevitably take us to "politics." I just want to talk about law.
The Constitution explicitly says that no one is to be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. But it doesn't define what due process is except skeletally. It defines the due process of impeaching and trying a president, and it defines some specific rights pertaining to criminal prosecution - habeas corpus, speedy trial, trial by jury, right not to participate in one's own prosecution, illegal search and seizure, etc. But broadly speaking, the Founders clearly assumed that the "due processes" would mostly be defined in common law. Common law would of course have to conform to the constitution, and it is the Supreme Court that determines whether any statute does.
The "common law" that covers immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, hereafter referred to as the INA. It has withstood constitutional review many times since 1952. It is being challenged now, which is right and proper. But...ut est, est. As it is, it is.
There are two things that stand out to me in the INA. First, it explicitly says that unlawful presence in the United States is a civil violation, and not a criminal violation. Second, it specifically provides for expeditious removal without "a day in court."
The fact that unlawful presence in the US is a civil violation takes the processes defined in the INA out of the realm of what little the constitution says about due process, because the constitution only defines certain "due process" protections for those under criminal prosecution. This is a dichotomy that seemingly a lot of Americans don't understand, especially on the lunatic fringes of Left and Right, and it's not just an issue of citizenship or non-citizenship. If you are pulled over by a law-enforcement officer for speeding, your constitutional rights exist only in the abstract, because you are not under criminal indictment. Speeding is a civil infraction (most of the time, and you'll know for certain if it isn't). So in a traffic stop, you do not have a "right" to remain silent. If you do refuse to speak, you could be placed under arrest, and THEN you'd most assuredly have a right to remain silent. So there is this dichotomy between civil and criminal law, and the Constitution doesn't address civil infractions, only criminal prosecutions.
No matter what else might be true, right or otherwise, the INA says people can be removed without the formal constitutional requirements that accompany a criminal prosecution. And this has been done under every presidential administration since Truman (and actually, every administration ever, preceding the 1952 act). I'm not asserting it's moral, just that it is the case.`
So here's my first question: Do you think current immigration enforcement efforts are denying people due process? Why?
And my second question: What do you think due process SHOULD look like for those who are unlawfully in the US?
Short answer to #1 is yes.
I have no problem with humanely deporting illegal aliens and definitely those with "real" criminal records. Unfortunately the current administration chooses to label all as murders, rapists and such allowing for treatment of non violent/non criminal illegals as criminals. And looking back on your definitions, doesn't this mean that criminal illegals are to have due process, being treated differently that non volent illegals?
The picture is further blurred with legal immigrants also being subject to the same treatment and deportation at the whim of agencies acting as judge and jury? Why is it that detainee's are abducted/apprehended and immediately whisked off to detention facilities thousands of miles away so that no one has the opportunity to assess their true status? Why is this process so rushed that it sweeps up American citizens that are held without due process for days before release? Why are green card holders and those on student visas subject to the same, absent criminal activity?
The optics of twenty masked men in full tactical and armored vehicles descending on three day laborers in a Home Depot parking lot, or taking a mother waiting in line to pick up her child from school or of a child while in school, or a doctor in med school, or immigrants trying to do the right thing attending court hearings or immigrations/citizenship meetings getting picked up as they leave the courthouse or government building?
So yea, remove the true criminals as you said you were going to do. Deport the non criminal illegals humanely, and stop threatening legal immigrants just because they speak Spanish, are black or from the middle east.
Oh, and stop executing suspected drug dealers without legal authority. Or maybe start just shooting dealers on street corners here as well.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
CAO Flathead V660 Carb
(6.0"x60)Pack of 5
| MSRP: $12.49 per cigar
$10.80 per cigar
$53.99 total price
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La Perla Habana Oro Toro
(6.0"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $10.00 per cigar
$3.00 per cigar
$29.99 total price
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Morning, boyos.
Happy Little Friday!
And Tick-tack night! *
Had to look that one up, never heard it called that before.
We called it mischief night.
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I'll take a look at Raz' long post later tonight. I have a meeting at my son's school and the commute won't be an easy one with all the flooding and continued downpour.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
CAO Flathead V660 Carb
(6.0"x60)Pack of 5
| MSRP: $12.49 per cigar
$10.80 per cigar
$53.99 total price
Save 14% Not much of a bargain here....
La Perla Habana Oro Toro
(6.0"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $10.00 per cigar
$3.00 per cigar
$29.99 total price
Save 70%
Man O' War Robusto
(5.5"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $9.70 per cigar
$3.50 per cigar
$34.99 total price
Save 64%
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Morning, boyos.
Happy Little Friday!
And Tick-tack night! *
Had to look that one up, never heard it called that before.
We called it mischief night.
Probably because you didn't grow up near any corn fields.
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I'll take a look at Raz' long post later tonight. I have a meeting at my son's school and the commute won't be an easy one with all the flooding and continued downpour.
Seriously, it was a bear out there with the rain. And it's not even raining hard, but it's been steady, so people have ramped up their stupidity factor.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
CAO Flathead V660 Carb
(6.0"x60)Pack of 5
| MSRP: $12.49 per cigar
$10.80 per cigar
$53.99 total price
Save 14% Not much of a bargain here....
La Perla Habana Oro Toro
(6.0"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $10.00 per cigar
$3.00 per cigar
$29.99 total price
Save 70%
Man O' War Robusto
(5.5"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $9.70 per cigar
$3.50 per cigar
$34.99 total price
Save 64%
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
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Many extras
Strands #606
"If I'm being picky ..."
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
CAO Flathead V660 Carb
(6.0"x60)Pack of 5
| MSRP: $12.49 per cigar
$10.80 per cigar
$53.99 total price
Save 14% Not much of a bargain here....
La Perla Habana Oro Toro
(6.0"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $10.00 per cigar
$3.00 per cigar
$29.99 total price
Save 70%
Man O' War Robusto
(5.5"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $9.70 per cigar
$3.50 per cigar
$34.99 total price
Save 64%
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Cohiba Puro Dominicana Robusto
(5.5"x50)10 Cigars
| MSRP: $22.00 per cigar
$4.50 per cigar
$44.99 total price
Save 80%
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Fuck right off with purple
Connections
Puzzle #872
🟩🟩🟩🟩
🟦🟦🟦🟦
🟨🟨🟨🟨
🟪🟪🟪🟪
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This evening needs a little morphine.
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
CAO Flathead V660 Carb
(6.0"x60)Pack of 5
| MSRP: $12.49 per cigar
$10.80 per cigar
$53.99 total price
Save 14% Not much of a bargain here....
La Perla Habana Oro Toro
(6.0"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $10.00 per cigar
$3.00 per cigar
$29.99 total price
Save 70%
Man O' War Robusto
(5.5"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $9.70 per cigar
$3.50 per cigar
$34.99 total price
Save 64%
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Cohiba Puro Dominicana Robusto
(5.5"x50)10 Cigars
| MSRP: $22.00 per cigar
$4.50 per cigar
$44.99 total price
Save 80%
AVO Classic Robusto
(5.0"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.50 per cigar
BUY 10+ CIGARS
$4.00
per cigar $39.99 total price
Save 65%
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
CAO Flathead V660 Carb
(6.0"x60)Pack of 5
| MSRP: $12.49 per cigar
$10.80 per cigar
$53.99 total price
Save 14% Not much of a bargain here....
La Perla Habana Oro Toro
(6.0"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $10.00 per cigar
$3.00 per cigar
$29.99 total price
Save 70%
Man O' War Robusto
(5.5"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $9.70 per cigar
$3.50 per cigar
$34.99 total price
Save 64%
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Sancho Panza Glorioso
(6.1"x50)Pack of 5
| MSRP: $7.99 per cigar
$3.50 per cigar
$17.50 total price
Save 56%
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Wordle 1,594 5/6
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⬛🟨⬛⬛⬛
⬛🟨🟨🟨🟩
🟩🟩🟩⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
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Connections: Sports Edition
Puzzle #402
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🟡🟡🟡🟡
🟢🟢🟢🔵
🟢🟢🔵🟢
🟢🟢🟢🟢
🔵🔵🔵🔵
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Connections
Puzzle #872
🟦🟩🟦🟦
🟦🟩🟪🟦
🟦🟦🟨🟦
🟨🟨🟨🟨
🟪🟪🟪🟪
🟦🟦🟦🟦
🟩🟩🟩🟩
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Jammin' Joe:
Man O' War Robusto - 10/34.99
CI Legends by Drew Estate Black - 5/19.99
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Punch Power Pack 15-Cigar Sampler - 15/49.99
Nica Libre Silver 25th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/34.99
5 Vegas Big Five Toro - 10/34.99
Alec Bradley The Lineage Gordo
(6.0"x60)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $11.99 per cigar
$4.00 per cigar
$39.99 total price
Save 67%
La Aroma de Cuba Robusto - 10/54.99
Macanudo Inspirado White Robusto - 10/32.50
Ave Maria Ark of the Covenant - 10/34.99
CAO Flathead V660 Carb
(6.0"x60)Pack of 5
| MSRP: $12.49 per cigar
$10.80 per cigar
$53.99 total price
Save 14% Not much of a bargain here....
La Perla Habana Oro Toro
(6.0"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $10.00 per cigar
$3.00 per cigar
$29.99 total price
Save 70%
Man O' War Robusto
(5.5"x50)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $9.70 per cigar
$3.50 per cigar
$34.99 total price
Save 64%
Oliva Serie O Robusto - 10/39.99
Sancho Panza Glorioso
(6.1"x50)Pack of 5
| MSRP: $7.99 per cigar
$3.50 per cigar
$17.50 total price
Save 56%
Rocky Patel Connecticut Toro
(6.0"x52)Pack of 10
| MSRP: $9.57 per cigar
$3.75 per cigar
$37.50 total price
Save 61%