Post by: CigarBanter on September 30, 2021, 01:59:54 AM
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 02:13:53 AM
Obsidian Box-Pressed Toro (6.5"x53) - 10 / $34.99
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 02:19:36 AM
Door #1 - 5 Vegas Classic Fifty Five (Box-Pressed) (Gordo) (5.5"x55) - Box of 20 / $64.99
Door #2 - Obsidian Gordo (4.5"x60) - 10 / $29.99
Door #3 - The Caldwell Lost and Found Sampler 2 - 5 / $34.99
includes:
1 - La Whatever Toro (6.0" x 54)
1 - One Night Stand Robusto (5.0" x 50)
1 - Paradise Lost Robusto (5.0" x 50)
1 - Swedish Delight Toro (6.0" x 52)
1 - Superstroke Robusto (5.0" x 50)
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 04:49:17 AM
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 05:31:15 AM
good morning Tony.Definitely sounds like a busy day. Morning, Deano.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 05:44:48 AM
good morning Dave. not as busy as it sounds. most of the bills I pay online and track on a spreadsheet, sauce is an all day adventure for me that I enjoy, and of course the cigars are always a welcome chore.good morning Tony.Definitely sounds like a busy day. Morning, Deano.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
maybe the widow will get off her ass and do something today. I need a caretaker for my caretaker.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 05:51:09 AM
Lol, sounds like you need to trade in your lemon.good morning Dave. not as busy as it sounds. most of the bills I pay online and track on a spreadsheet, sauce is an all day adventure for me that I enjoy, and of course the cigars are always a welcome chore.good morning Tony.Definitely sounds like a busy day. Morning, Deano.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
maybe the widow will get off her ass and do something today. I need a caretaker for my caretaker.
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 06:01:42 AM
no trades, lemon law doesn't really exist down here. going back to my single life as soon as I can accomplish two tasks: 1- take garbage to curb.Lol, sounds like you need to trade in your lemon.good morning Dave. not as busy as it sounds. most of the bills I pay online and track on a spreadsheet, sauce is an all day adventure for me that I enjoy, and of course the cigars are always a welcome chore.good morning Tony.Definitely sounds like a busy day. Morning, Deano.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
maybe the widow will get off her ass and do something today. I need a caretaker for my caretaker.
2- drive
then I can move on to my plans of an assisted living facility in the future.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 06:04:56 AM
I'd say you might have trouble finding one that will allow you to smoke, but somehow I doubt that'll be the case in FL.no trades, lemon law doesn't really exist down here. going back to my single life as soon as I can accomplish two tasks: 1- take garbage to curb.Lol, sounds like you need to trade in your lemon.good morning Dave. not as busy as it sounds. most of the bills I pay online and track on a spreadsheet, sauce is an all day adventure for me that I enjoy, and of course the cigars are always a welcome chore.good morning Tony.Definitely sounds like a busy day. Morning, Deano.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
maybe the widow will get off her ass and do something today. I need a caretaker for my caretaker.
2- drive
then I can move on to my plans of an assisted living facility in the future.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 06:53:32 AM
good morning Tony.Good morning, Dean. Apparently it was getting a later start day for me.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 06:56:19 AM
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 07:14:33 AM
I figured you either had an early meeting or unclogging the toilet.good morning Tony.Good morning, Dean. Apparently it was getting a later start day for me.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 07:20:31 AM
I woke up on the couch at 1:30ish and made my first post. Then I had an early meeting this morning but barely logged in on time. Next meeting in 40 minutes so I'll try to squeeze in a shower now.I figured you either had an early meeting or unclogging the toilet.good morning Tony.Good morning, Dean. Apparently it was getting a later start day for me.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 07:40:40 AM
Sounds like you've got quite the day in front of you, as well as already behind you. Morning, Tony.I woke up on the couch at 1:30ish and made my first post. Then I had an early meeting this morning but barely logged in on time. Next meeting in 40 minutes so I'll try to squeeze in a shower now.I figured you either had an early meeting or unclogging the toilet.good morning Tony.Good morning, Dean. Apparently it was getting a later start day for me.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 07:58:35 AM
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 08:07:07 AM
breakfast.Yummo
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 08:17:02 AM
indeed. and first time I've been outside to smoke in a month or better.breakfast.Yummo
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 08:50:26 AM
breakfast.That looks delicious. I really wish I could join you. Month-end is just too crazy. I'm glad there isn't a jam today to distract me.
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 09:05:19 AM
after I get my sauce started I may try the Havana Soul TD sent me. the history is interesting:breakfast.That looks delicious. I really wish I could join you. Month-end is just too crazy. I'm glad there isn't a jam today to distract me.
Although it has been recreated and re-blended several times, it still comes across as a premium example of a medium to full Nicaraguan cigar.
The first version was a collaboration between Mitchel Hirsh and Don Pepin Garcia. It was blended and manufactured by Don Pepin Garcia, at the El Rey de los Habanos factory in the Little Havana neighborhood of Miami, Florida. It was well-acclaimed and very popular. However, that cigar was discontinued in 2007. In 2010, Rocky Patel reintroduced the line, and despite its success, ended production within a relatively short period of time.
Finally, (I believe in 2015), a collaboration was born between Mitchel Hirsh and A. J. Fernandez, using the same blend and tobaccos from the original production. This modern Havana Soul is produced at the Tobacalera Fernandez factory, located in Esteli, Nicaragua. I've never had one of the original DPG version of this cigar, but I can't imagine it could be any better than the newest incarnation.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 09:07:28 AM
I know ClemsonDave is a fan. I'm definitely interested.after I get my sauce started I may try the Havana Soul TD sent me. the history is interesting:breakfast.That looks delicious. I really wish I could join you. Month-end is just too crazy. I'm glad there isn't a jam today to distract me.
Although it has been recreated and re-blended several times, it still comes across as a premium example of a medium to full Nicaraguan cigar.
The first version was a collaboration between Mitchel Hirsh and Don Pepin Garcia. It was blended and manufactured by Don Pepin Garcia, at the El Rey de los Habanos factory in the Little Havana neighborhood of Miami, Florida. It was well-acclaimed and very popular. However, that cigar was discontinued in 2007. In 2010, Rocky Patel reintroduced the line, and despite its success, ended production within a relatively short period of time.
Finally, (I believe in 2015), a collaboration was born between Mitchel Hirsh and A. J. Fernandez, using the same blend and tobaccos from the original production. This modern Havana Soul is produced at the Tobacalera Fernandez factory, located in Esteli, Nicaragua. I've never had one of the original DPG version of this cigar, but I can't imagine it could be any better than the newest incarnation.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 09:26:59 AM
Certainly has a decent enough pedigree.I know ClemsonDave is a fan. I'm definitely interested.after I get my sauce started I may try the Havana Soul TD sent me. the history is interesting:breakfast.That looks delicious. I really wish I could join you. Month-end is just too crazy. I'm glad there isn't a jam today to distract me.
Although it has been recreated and re-blended several times, it still comes across as a premium example of a medium to full Nicaraguan cigar.
The first version was a collaboration between Mitchel Hirsh and Don Pepin Garcia. It was blended and manufactured by Don Pepin Garcia, at the El Rey de los Habanos factory in the Little Havana neighborhood of Miami, Florida. It was well-acclaimed and very popular. However, that cigar was discontinued in 2007. In 2010, Rocky Patel reintroduced the line, and despite its success, ended production within a relatively short period of time.
Finally, (I believe in 2015), a collaboration was born between Mitchel Hirsh and A. J. Fernandez, using the same blend and tobaccos from the original production. This modern Havana Soul is produced at the Tobacalera Fernandez factory, located in Esteli, Nicaragua. I've never had one of the original DPG version of this cigar, but I can't imagine it could be any better than the newest incarnation.
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 09:51:23 AM
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 09:53:14 AM
Well, sleeping wasn't in the cards last night. This is going to be a long day. Morning, muchachos.sleep is overrated at my age. morning RazManTheTiredOne.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 09:53:37 AM
I was thinking the same. Not necessarily about Florida being any better....I'd say you might have trouble finding one that will allow you to smoke, but somehow I doubt that'll be the case in FL.no trades, lemon law doesn't really exist down here. going back to my single life as soon as I can accomplish two tasks: 1- take garbage to curb.Lol, sounds like you need to trade in your lemon.good morning Dave. not as busy as it sounds. most of the bills I pay online and track on a spreadsheet, sauce is an all day adventure for me that I enjoy, and of course the cigars are always a welcome chore.good morning Tony.Definitely sounds like a busy day. Morning, Deano.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
maybe the widow will get off her ass and do something today. I need a caretaker for my caretaker.
2- drive
then I can move on to my plans of an assisted living facility in the future.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 09:55:11 AM
Why? It didn't yesterday... :Pbreakfast.That looks delicious. I really wish I could join you. Month-end is just too crazy. I'm glad there isn't a jam today to distract me.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 09:56:50 AM
Sound about the same to me.I figured you either had an early meeting or unclogging the toilet.good morning Tony.Good morning, Dean. Apparently it was getting a later start day for me.
bill paying day, sauce building day, cigar smoking day.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 09:57:39 AM
sauce built. widow had some frozen generic sausage chunks she picked up somewhere, not hot Italian but it'll do. onions, peppers, celery, diced tomatoes, mushrooms, lots of garlic, and an assortment of seasonings. eat around 6pm or so. believe it or not but that wore me out hopping around on one crutch.I think doing just about anything while being in crutches would wear me out. Kudos to you.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 09:58:21 AM
Well, sleeping wasn't in the cards last night. This is going to be a long day. Morning, muchachos.That's the worst. Morning, EarlyButNotBrightRaz.
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 10:03:28 AM
Morning, Deano.Well, sleeping wasn't in the cards last night. This is going to be a long day. Morning, muchachos.sleep is overrated at my age. morning RazManTheTiredOne.
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 10:04:52 AM
I was on crutches for three months. Crutches suck.sauce built. widow had some frozen generic sausage chunks she picked up somewhere, not hot Italian but it'll do. onions, peppers, celery, diced tomatoes, mushrooms, lots of garlic, and an assortment of seasonings. eat around 6pm or so. believe it or not but that wore me out hopping around on one crutch.I think doing just about anything while being in crutches would wear me out. Kudos to you.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 10:05:51 AM
There are 92 days left in the year.
Today’s Highlight in History:
On Sept. 30, 1962, James Meredith, a Black student, was escorted by federal marshals to the campus of the University of Mississippi, where he enrolled for classes the next day; Meredith’s presence sparked rioting that claimed two lives.
On this date:
In 1777, the Continental Congress — forced to flee in the face of advancing British forces — moved to York, Pennsylvania.
In 1938, after co-signing the Munich Agreement allowing Nazi annexation of Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain said, “I believe it is peace for our time.”
In 1947, the World Series was broadcast on television for the first time; the New York Yankees defeated the Brooklyn Dodgers 5-3 in Game 1 (the Yankees went on to win the Series four games to three).
In 1949, the Berlin Airlift came to an end.
In 1954, the first nuclear-powered submarine, the USS Nautilus, was commissioned by the U.S. Navy.
In 1955, actor James Dean, 24, was killed in a two-car collision near Cholame, California.
In 1972, Roberto Clemente hit a double against Jon Matlack of the New York Mets during Pittsburgh’s 5-0 victory at Three Rivers Stadium; the hit was the 3,000th and last for the Pirates star.
In 1984, the mystery series “Murder, She Wrote,” starring Angela Lansbury, premiered on CBS.
In 1986, the U.S. released accused Soviet spy Gennadiy Zakharov, one day after the Soviets released American journalist Nicholas Daniloff.
In 2001, under threat of U.S. military strikes, Afghanistan’s hard-line Taliban rulers said explicitly for the first time that Osama bin Laden was still in the country and that they knew where his hideout was located.
In 2014, the first case of Ebola diagnosed in the U.S. was confirmed in a patient who had recently traveled from Liberia to Dallas. California Gov. Jerry Brown signed the nation’s first statewide ban on single-use plastic bags at grocery and convenience stores.
In 2017, Monty Hall, the long-running host of TV’s “Let’s Make a Deal,” died of heart failure at his home in Beverly Hills at the age of 96.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 10:06:36 AM
Five years ago: Alabama’s Court of the Judiciary permanently suspended state Chief Justice Roy Moore for defying federal court rulings on gay marriage, saying he had violated judicial ethics. Scottish boxer Mike Towell, 25, died after suffering severe bleeding and swelling to his brain during a televised fight against Dale Evans in Glasgow.
One year ago: Authorities in California said they had arrested and charged a man in connection with the shooting earlier in the month that wounded two Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies as they sat in their squad car. (Deonte Lee Murray has pleaded not guilty to attempted murder and other charges.) Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves announced he was ending a statewide mask mandate, but the Republican governor said he would still require people to wear masks in school to curb the spread of novel coronavirus. A court approved a settlement totaling $800 million from casino company MGM Resorts International and its insurers to more than 4,400 relatives and victims of the 2017 Las Vegas Strip shooting that left 58 people dead. Serena Williams’ latest bid for a record-tying 24th Grand Slam title ended when she was unable to play a second-round match at the French Open because of an injury.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 10:09:46 AM
Actor Angie Dickinson is 90.
Singer Cissy Houston is 88.
Singer Johnny Mathis is 86.
Actor Len Cariou is 82.
Singer Marilyn McCoo is 78.
Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is 76.
Pop singer Sylvia Peterson (The Chiffons) is 75.
Actor Vondie Curtis-Hall is 71.
Actor Victoria Tennant is 71.
Actor John Finn is 69.
Rock musician John Lombardo is 69.
Singer Deborah Allen is 68.
Actor Calvin Levels is 67.
Actor Barry Williams is 67.
Singer Patrice Rushen is 67.
Actor Fran Drescher is 64.
Country singer Marty Stuart is 63.
Actor Debrah Farentino is 62.
Former Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., is 61.
Actor Crystal Bernard is 60.
Actor Eric Stoltz is 60.
Rapper-producer Marley Marl is 59.
Country singer Eddie Montgomery (Montgomery-Gentry) is 58.
Rock singer Trey Anastasio is 57.
Actor Monica Bellucci is 57.
Rock musician Robby Takac (Goo Goo Dolls) is 57.
Actor Lisa Thornhill is 55.
Actor Andrea Roth is 54.
Actor Amy Landecker is 52.
Actor Silas Weir Mitchell is 52.
Actor Tony Hale is 51.
Actor Jenna Elfman is 50.
Actor Ashley Hamilton is 47.
Actor Marion Cotillard is 46.
Actor Christopher Jackson is 46.
Actor Stark Sands is 43.
Actor Mike Damus is 42.
Actor Toni Trucks is 41.
Former tennis player Martina Hingis is 41.
Olympic gold medal gymnast Dominique Moceanu is 40.
Actor Lacey Chabert is 39.
Actor Kieran Culkin is 39.
Singer-rapper T-Pain is 37.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 10:11:25 AM
Raz Over/Under is 11
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 10:12:19 AM
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 10:14:23 AM
yes they do. I still remember what happened to you. I'm just glad I'm in a 'walking boot' instead of cast and I hope after surgery Monday they keep me in the boot.I was on crutches for three months. Crutches suck.sauce built. widow had some frozen generic sausage chunks she picked up somewhere, not hot Italian but it'll do. onions, peppers, celery, diced tomatoes, mushrooms, lots of garlic, and an assortment of seasonings. eat around 6pm or so. believe it or not but that wore me out hopping around on one crutch.I think doing just about anything while being in crutches would wear me out. Kudos to you.
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 10:24:37 AM
Over / Under for today is 8I'm blowing the curve, today. 19.
Raz Over/Under is 11
My results:
Actor Angie Dickinson is 90.
Singer Cissy Houston is 88.
Singer Johnny Mathis is 86.
Singer Marilyn McCoo is 78.
Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is 76.
Actor Victoria Tennant is 71.
Rock musician John Lombardo is 69.
Actor Barry Williams is 67.
Actor Fran Drescher is 64.
Country singer Marty Stuart is 63.
Actor Debrah Farentino is 62.
Actor Crystal Bernard is 60.
Actor Eric Stoltz is 60.
Rock singer Trey Anastasio is 57.
Actor Monica Bellucci is 57.
Actor Jenna Elfman is 50.
Former tennis player Martina Hingis is 41.
Olympic gold medal gymnast Dominique Moceanu is 40.
Actor Kieran Culkin is 39.
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 10:25:28 AM
Problem with those boots is how quickly they start to reek, with a most disgusting stench.yes they do. I still remember what happened to you. I'm just glad I'm in a 'walking boot' instead of cast and I hope after surgery Monday they keep me in the boot.I was on crutches for three months. Crutches suck.sauce built. widow had some frozen generic sausage chunks she picked up somewhere, not hot Italian but it'll do. onions, peppers, celery, diced tomatoes, mushrooms, lots of garlic, and an assortment of seasonings. eat around 6pm or so. believe it or not but that wore me out hopping around on one crutch.I think doing just about anything while being in crutches would wear me out. Kudos to you.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 10:26:45 AM
Over / Under for today is 811. In fact, I even have a Funko Pop of one of them. :D
Raz Over/Under is 11
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
need to find a can or two of the spray they use for bowling shoes at the alleys.Problem with those boots is how quickly they start to reek, with a most disgusting stench.yes they do. I still remember what happened to you. I'm just glad I'm in a 'walking boot' instead of cast and I hope after surgery Monday they keep me in the boot.I was on crutches for three months. Crutches suck.sauce built. widow had some frozen generic sausage chunks she picked up somewhere, not hot Italian but it'll do. onions, peppers, celery, diced tomatoes, mushrooms, lots of garlic, and an assortment of seasonings. eat around 6pm or so. believe it or not but that wore me out hopping around on one crutch.I think doing just about anything while being in crutches would wear me out. Kudos to you.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 10:34:29 AM
Just make sure you remove the boot before you spray it. ;Dneed to find a can or two of the spray they use for bowling shoes at the alleys.Problem with those boots is how quickly they start to reek, with a most disgusting stench.yes they do. I still remember what happened to you. I'm just glad I'm in a 'walking boot' instead of cast and I hope after surgery Monday they keep me in the boot.I was on crutches for three months. Crutches suck.sauce built. widow had some frozen generic sausage chunks she picked up somewhere, not hot Italian but it'll do. onions, peppers, celery, diced tomatoes, mushrooms, lots of garlic, and an assortment of seasonings. eat around 6pm or so. believe it or not but that wore me out hopping around on one crutch.I think doing just about anything while being in crutches would wear me out. Kudos to you.
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 11:03:30 AM
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 11:07:15 AM
I got a can of Dr. Scholl's spray to combat the odor, but that stuff has its own unpleasant stench. I took to just pulling the padding and laundering it a coupla times a week.need to find a can or two of the spray they use for bowling shoes at the alleys.Problem with those boots is how quickly they start to reek, with a most disgusting stench.yes they do. I still remember what happened to you. I'm just glad I'm in a 'walking boot' instead of cast and I hope after surgery Monday they keep me in the boot.I was on crutches for three months. Crutches suck.sauce built. widow had some frozen generic sausage chunks she picked up somewhere, not hot Italian but it'll do. onions, peppers, celery, diced tomatoes, mushrooms, lots of garlic, and an assortment of seasonings. eat around 6pm or so. believe it or not but that wore me out hopping around on one crutch.I think doing just about anything while being in crutches would wear me out. Kudos to you.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 11:16:12 AM
It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 11:42:13 AM
There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 11:47:16 AM
Not much, but it did a little bit.Why? It didn't yesterday... :Pbreakfast.That looks delicious. I really wish I could join you. Month-end is just too crazy. I'm glad there isn't a jam today to distract me.
Good morning, ClemsonDave.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 11:49:27 AM
Well, sleeping wasn't in the cards last night. This is going to be a long day. Morning, muchachos.Mornin' anyway, Razman.
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 12:04:05 PM
Morning, T.Well, sleeping wasn't in the cards last night. This is going to be a long day. Morning, muchachos.Mornin' anyway, Razman.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 12:18:29 PM
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 12:21:41 PM
Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 12:56:41 PM
I know that the United States isn't the only country that has invested money and resources in not just China but other countries in research and developement of 'medicine' knowing full well how difficult it is to 'hide' such practices here. and seeing how I trust nobody whether it's China, Korea, Iran, etc., I would not be surprised that some day (not in my time of course) that it will be proven it was a biological weapon released accidentally. personally, if I were in charge of the country, if the U.N. didn't want to act on wiping China off the face of the earth, I would have.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 01:22:45 PM
As a biological weapon, it would probably be considered pretty shitty, as the current death rate from it is a shade over 2% of those infected. But as a political weapon, it would have to be considered a masterstroke, based solely on what it's done to us.I know that the United States isn't the only country that has invested money and resources in not just China but other countries in research and developement of 'medicine' knowing full well how difficult it is to 'hide' such practices here. and seeing how I trust nobody whether it's China, Korea, Iran, etc., I would not be surprised that some day (not in my time of course) that it will be proven it was a biological weapon released accidentally. personally, if I were in charge of the country, if the U.N. didn't want to act on wiping China off the face of the earth, I would have.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 01:44:59 PM
in the beginning down here in Florida with all the elderly dying off I thought it was a way of opening up the real estate market.As a biological weapon, it would probably be considered pretty shitty, as the current death rate from it is a shade over 2% of those infected. But as a political weapon, it would have to be considered a masterstroke, based solely on what it's done to us.I know that the United States isn't the only country that has invested money and resources in not just China but other countries in research and developement of 'medicine' knowing full well how difficult it is to 'hide' such practices here. and seeing how I trust nobody whether it's China, Korea, Iran, etc., I would not be surprised that some day (not in my time of course) that it will be proven it was a biological weapon released accidentally. personally, if I were in charge of the country, if the U.N. didn't want to act on wiping China off the face of the earth, I would have.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 02:00:48 PM
And look what happened to real estate prices!in the beginning down here in Florida with all the elderly dying off I thought it was a way of opening up the real estate market.As a biological weapon, it would probably be considered pretty shitty, as the current death rate from it is a shade over 2% of those infected. But as a political weapon, it would have to be considered a masterstroke, based solely on what it's done to us.I know that the United States isn't the only country that has invested money and resources in not just China but other countries in research and developement of 'medicine' knowing full well how difficult it is to 'hide' such practices here. and seeing how I trust nobody whether it's China, Korea, Iran, etc., I would not be surprised that some day (not in my time of course) that it will be proven it was a biological weapon released accidentally. personally, if I were in charge of the country, if the U.N. didn't want to act on wiping China off the face of the earth, I would have.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 02:08:15 PM
As far as blaming Trump, fast tackling the vaccines was the one thing I actually agreed with. He deserves more credit for it. I'm a bit surprised how quickly his supporters turn on him and boo for him suggesting that people get vaccinated.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 02:17:34 PM
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 03:12:52 PM
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 03:51:16 PM
they could just have numbed the damn thing and operated.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 03:54:22 PM
It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.Let's hope it stays that way.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
Clearly some folks have significantly better immune systems. My kids and I are rarely sick. Knock on wood!
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 03:55:48 PM
Won't argue with that. They have proven that it is not an engineered virus.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 03:58:20 PM
I've worked with a number of groups from CDC as well and agree with all your points.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 04:00:04 PM
On what we've done to ourselves you mean.As a biological weapon, it would probably be considered pretty shitty, as the current death rate from it is a shade over 2% of those infected. But as a political weapon, it would have to be considered a masterstroke, based solely on what it's done to us.I know that the United States isn't the only country that has invested money and resources in not just China but other countries in research and developement of 'medicine' knowing full well how difficult it is to 'hide' such practices here. and seeing how I trust nobody whether it's China, Korea, Iran, etc., I would not be surprised that some day (not in my time of course) that it will be proven it was a biological weapon released accidentally. personally, if I were in charge of the country, if the U.N. didn't want to act on wiping China off the face of the earth, I would have.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 04:01:26 PM
And your Governor must have a lot of real estate investment.in the beginning down here in Florida with all the elderly dying off I thought it was a way of opening up the real estate market.As a biological weapon, it would probably be considered pretty shitty, as the current death rate from it is a shade over 2% of those infected. But as a political weapon, it would have to be considered a masterstroke, based solely on what it's done to us.I know that the United States isn't the only country that has invested money and resources in not just China but other countries in research and developement of 'medicine' knowing full well how difficult it is to 'hide' such practices here. and seeing how I trust nobody whether it's China, Korea, Iran, etc., I would not be surprised that some day (not in my time of course) that it will be proven it was a biological weapon released accidentally. personally, if I were in charge of the country, if the U.N. didn't want to act on wiping China off the face of the earth, I would have.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 04:11:57 PM
well look who he patterns himself after. 😅And your Governor must have a lot of real estate investment.in the beginning down here in Florida with all the elderly dying off I thought it was a way of opening up the real estate market.As a biological weapon, it would probably be considered pretty shitty, as the current death rate from it is a shade over 2% of those infected. But as a political weapon, it would have to be considered a masterstroke, based solely on what it's done to us.I know that the United States isn't the only country that has invested money and resources in not just China but other countries in research and developement of 'medicine' knowing full well how difficult it is to 'hide' such practices here. and seeing how I trust nobody whether it's China, Korea, Iran, etc., I would not be surprised that some day (not in my time of course) that it will be proven it was a biological weapon released accidentally. personally, if I were in charge of the country, if the U.N. didn't want to act on wiping China off the face of the earth, I would have.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 04:14:56 PM
Yes, that is what I mean.On what we've done to ourselves you mean.As a biological weapon, it would probably be considered pretty shitty, as the current death rate from it is a shade over 2% of those infected. But as a political weapon, it would have to be considered a masterstroke, based solely on what it's done to us.I know that the United States isn't the only country that has invested money and resources in not just China but other countries in research and developement of 'medicine' knowing full well how difficult it is to 'hide' such practices here. and seeing how I trust nobody whether it's China, Korea, Iran, etc., I would not be surprised that some day (not in my time of course) that it will be proven it was a biological weapon released accidentally. personally, if I were in charge of the country, if the U.N. didn't want to act on wiping China off the face of the earth, I would have.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 04:16:15 PM
Agreed for the most part. Biggest misunderstanding of fast tracking is that corners were cut. Biggest impact of fast tracking was speeding up FDA reviews which usually take years. Companies did all their full clinical trials although they were done consecutively where normally they would wait between phases for FDA response taking on the cost risk associated. (only Pfizer paid fully for their own with others taking government subsidies. One part that was not completed was real time duration studies (which couldn't be accelerated) which has led to the booster debate. Normally this would have had to be completed prior to approval which would have meant having to wait until next year for initial approval. Trump was late to the vaccine support bandwagon after initially touting various internet "cures", so add that to the mixed message debacle. Although not perfect, besides vaccination, masks are the best and easiest preventative measure. People will be quick to forget that with many wearing masks last year, regular flu and colds were also greatly reduced.As far as blaming Trump, fast tackling the vaccines was the one thing I actually agreed with. He deserves more credit for it. I'm a bit surprised how quickly his supporters turn on him and boo for him suggesting that people get vaccinated.Just between us and the walls, because I don't want to fuel anyone's conspiracy theories...but I've spent quite a bit of time with folks from the CDC over the past 17 years, I've got a collection of certificates of appreciation from them, and I've got lots of stories about working with them and partying with them. But that place is a snakepit. I have been recruited multiple times, but even if I WAS inclined to live in Atlanta, I wouldn't go to work there. There are some very smart people who work there, but the place is absolutely shot through with egotism, ambition, backstabbing, and politics.There is definitely some information which points in that direction.It isn't a Chinese Bioweapon, but I am pretty convinced it was a Chinese lab fuckup.It remains a mystery to me why I've never come down with COVID, or at least haven't come down with it that I'm aware of. It's not like I've ever been particularly careful. I didn't start wearing a mask with any frequency until the last few months, after vaccination. Social distancing is really a joke anyway, but I was never particularly careful about that either. My wife's niece and her kids are living with us, and she works in retail. My wife is a teacher. My eldest son has kept working all through the pandemic, at a business where the various protocols have NOT remotely been enforced, and despite my urging and his promise to do so, he is as yet unvaccinated.This thing is a finicky bitch, to be sure. My vaccinated MIL and daughter both got it and had mild symptoms (my MIL a little worse), but my unvaccinated youngest didn't get it (or at least didn't show symptoms of it, since we didn't get her tested). It gives mild symptoms to older folk, and completely ravages healthy people in the prime of their lives. Lots of younger kids seem to be immune, while others have died. If it WERE a Chinese bioweapon, you'd have to at least tip your hat to them for their inventiveness.
All the opportunities for this to hit me have been there. But nada, at least no symptoms remotely like anyone describes. There was a nasty little cough that lingered for several weeks that went around my household in late February and early March of 2020. But none of the other COVID symptoms.
Interestingly, of my immediate family, only my youngest brother has come down with it. Neither my dad nor my other siblings have come down with it. My younger brother has been twice exposed, and closely - first when his wife and eldest daughter came down with it, and again when our youngest brother and his daughter got breakthrough cases. Neither of my sons have gotten it.
I'm beginning to wonder if most of my family is carrying some sort of resistance, maybe the phenylated OAS1 gene.
You can blame Trump all you want over his handling of the pandemic, but if you really study the history of the CDC, you'll find that they have precisely NEVER been able to put out coherent messaging. Now, messaging isn't really their job, so that shouldn't be a problem, but everyone wants to look to them for guidance, and rely on them as authoritative, and that's just laughable.
And anyone who believes their protestations that they weren't supporting Gain-of-Function research in China is a mental midget. That is exactly what they were doing. I'm not shocked they were doing it, I'm shocked by their protestations that they weren't.
Post by: Travellin Dave on September 30, 2021, 04:33:10 PM
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 04:50:20 PM
Post by: FloridaDean on September 30, 2021, 04:54:07 PM
Definitely an underrated EPC.nice.
I think I'll have that NOMAD Esteli lot 8613 you sent for dessert tonight. reviews sound good.
Post by: bluecollar on September 30, 2021, 06:26:50 PM
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 06:42:27 PM
I been busy at the house but right now this will work.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210930/6cba1006031a49c073c6608bc34222f0.jpg)Fire column is interesting. Not as cool as ClemsonDave's fire toilet but cool.
Howdy, Rick.
Post by: bluecollar on September 30, 2021, 07:37:04 PM
Hey Tony. Living the dream. That propane fire pit can light up my back yard pretty good.I been busy at the house but right now this will work.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210930/6cba1006031a49c073c6608bc34222f0.jpg)Fire column is interesting. Not as cool as ClemsonDave's fire toilet but cool.
Howdy, Rick.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 07:39:24 PM
Currently at soccer. Nice night, for sure.Hey Tony. Living the dream. That propane fire pit can light up my back yard pretty good.I been busy at the house but right now this will work.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210930/6cba1006031a49c073c6608bc34222f0.jpg)Fire column is interesting. Not as cool as ClemsonDave's fire toilet but cool.
Howdy, Rick.
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 07:39:52 PM
Post by: razgueado on September 30, 2021, 08:39:30 PM
Let's go Yankees!Yes! Go! Right down the shitter, where you belong, Yankees!
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on September 30, 2021, 08:45:18 PM
That's gonna cause a serious clog.Let's go Yankees!Yes! Go! Right down the shitter, where you belong, Yankees!
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 09:13:16 PM
Luckily you've had lots of practice lately.That's gonna cause a serious clog.Let's go Yankees!Yes! Go! Right down the shitter, where you belong, Yankees!
Post by: LuvTooGolf on September 30, 2021, 09:13:47 PM
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