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Cigar Banter => Daily Cigar Deals Discussion => Topic started by: CigarBanter on February 28, 2023, 03:45:14 AM
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Happy Tuesday! In between insults we'll occasionally discuss cigars. Join in and perhaps learn something along the way. Warning: don't proceed if you have thin skin but don't be afraid to post either... And welcome aboard!
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Morning, twofers.
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Joe:
Brick House Fumas Robusto - 20/39.99
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Sis:
Door #1 - Kristoff Maduro Robusto - 5/24.99
Door #2 - Man O' War Virtue 10th Anniversary Torpedo - 10/49.99
Door #3 - Oliva Serie 'G' Maduro Perfecto - 10/49.99
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
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We've got ourselves a delayed opening here today. I think I got two robo-calls, a text, and an email for each kid. Sheesh.
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
Lol, that was my first thought as well, which is why I thought it was an Onion article initially.
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We've got ourselves a delayed opening here today. I think I got two robo-calls, a text, and an email for each kid. Sheesh.
I usually get a text to tell me to read the email, then a call from the principal reading me the email. And this is about practically anything going on at the school. Someone needs to take the auto-call feature away from their principal.
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We've got ourselves a delayed opening here today. I think I got two robo-calls, a text, and an email for each kid. Sheesh.
I usually get a text to tell me to read the email, then a call from the principal reading me the email. And this is about practically anything going on at the school. Someone needs to take the auto-call feature away from their principal.
In the end, I was told to go to the website to get the information. Really? Looks like their first class is at 10. Sometimes I wish I was a student again. Most times, not.
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We've got ourselves a delayed opening here today. I think I got two robo-calls, a text, and an email for each kid. Sheesh.
I usually get a text to tell me to read the email, then a call from the principal reading me the email. And this is about practically anything going on at the school. Someone needs to take the auto-call feature away from their principal.
In the end, I was told to go to the website to get the information. Really? Looks like their first class is at 10. Sometimes I wish I was a student again. Most times, not.
Sheesh. Did you guys end up with a lot of snow then?
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Virtue 10th interesting
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Virtue 10th interesting 
And no ABs today, two days in a row. They might have to start raising their prices to make up for a lack of sales. :D
Morning, SnowyRick.
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Shovel still works...
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We've got ourselves a delayed opening here today. I think I got two robo-calls, a text, and an email for each kid. Sheesh.
I usually get a text to tell me to read the email, then a call from the principal reading me the email. And this is about practically anything going on at the school. Someone needs to take the auto-call feature away from their principal.
In the end, I was told to go to the website to get the information. Really? Looks like their first class is at 10. Sometimes I wish I was a student again. Most times, not.
Sheesh. Did you guys end up with a lot of snow then?
Maybe three inches.
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We've got ourselves a delayed opening here today. I think I got two robo-calls, a text, and an email for each kid. Sheesh.
I usually get a text to tell me to read the email, then a call from the principal reading me the email. And this is about practically anything going on at the school. Someone needs to take the auto-call feature away from their principal.
In the end, I was told to go to the website to get the information. Really? Looks like their first class is at 10. Sometimes I wish I was a student again. Most times, not.
Sheesh. Did you guys end up with a lot of snow then?
Maybe three inches.
Well, at least it didn't turn out quite as bad as it could've been. But that's still a pain. Bring on spring!
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Virtue 10th interesting 
And no ABs today, two days in a row. They might have to start raising their prices to make up for a lack of sales. :D
Morning, SnowyRick.
Good morning LTG and Tony
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Brain's still working too. I was having my doubts.
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Virtue 10th interesting 
And no ABs today, two days in a row. They might have to start raising their prices to make up for a lack of sales. :D
Morning, SnowyRick.
Good morning LTG and Tony
Hello, my friend. Hope the last day of February brings you great things.
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Virtue 10th interesting 
It is interesting, indeed. Could it be that different from the original?
Not bad for a Tuesday offering.
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My wife was awfully friendly this morning. Then I realized it was payday.
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Virtue 10th interesting 
And no ABs today, two days in a row. They might have to start raising their prices to make up for a lack of sales. :D
Morning, SnowyRick.
Good morning LTG and Tony
Hello, my friend. Hope the last day of February brings you great things.
Thank you Tony. To you as well
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Virtue 10th interesting 
And no ABs today, two days in a row. They might have to start raising their prices to make up for a lack of sales. :D
Morning, SnowyRick.
Good morning LTG and Tony
Hello, my friend. Hope the last day of February brings you great things.
Thank you Tony. To you as well
Already got paid. I'm not sure it could get any better.
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
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My wife was awfully friendly this morning. Then I realized it was payday.
LALTS
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We've got ourselves a delayed opening here today. I think I got two robo-calls, a text, and an email for each kid. Sheesh.
I usually get a text to tell me to read the email, then a call from the principal reading me the email. And this is about practically anything going on at the school. Someone needs to take the auto-call feature away from their principal.
In the end, I was told to go to the website to get the information. Really? Looks like their first class is at 10. Sometimes I wish I was a student again. Most times, not.
Sheesh. Did you guys end up with a lot of snow then?
67 now, going up to 78. We did have a tornado warning last night, that was fun.
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My wife was awfully friendly this morning. Then I realized it was payday.
Which then brings to mind an important question....are you paid monthly or bi-weekly?
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Virtue 10th interesting 
Yea, they suckered me in. Then again "amping up" flavors from the Virtue shouldn't be hard.
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Morning Tony, Dave and Rick.
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Today is Tuesday, Feb. 28, the 59th day of 2023.
There are 306 days left in the year.
Today’s Highlight in History:
On Feb. 28, 1993, a gun battle erupted at a religious compound near Waco, Texas, when Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents tried to arrest Branch Davidian leader David Koresh on weapons charges; four agents and six Davidians were killed as a 51-day standoff began.
On this date:
In 1844, a 12-inch gun aboard the USS Princeton exploded as the ship was sailing on the Potomac River, killing Secretary of State Abel P. Upshur, Navy Secretary Thomas W. Gilmer and several others.
In 1849, the California gold rush began in earnest as regular steamship service started bringing gold-seekers to San Francisco.
In 1911, President William Howard Taft nominated William H. Lewis to be the first Black Assistant Attorney General of the United States.
In 1953, scientists James D. Watson and Francis H.C. Crick announced they had discovered the double-helix structure of DNA.
In 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai issued the Shanghai Communique, which called for normalizing relations between their countries, at the conclusion of Nixon’s historic visit to China.
In 1975, 42 people were killed in London’s Underground when a train smashed into the end of a tunnel.
In 1996, Britain’s Princess Diana agreed to divorce Prince Charles. (Their 15-year marriage officially ended in August 1996; Diana died in a car crash in Paris a year after that.)
In 2009, Paul Harvey, the news commentator and talk-radio pioneer whose staccato style made him one of the nation’s most familiar voices, died in Phoenix at age 90.
In 2014, delivering a blunt warning to Moscow, President Barack Obama expressed deep concern over reported military activity inside Ukraine by Russia and warned “there will be costs” for any intervention.
In 2018, Walmart announced that it would no longer sell firearms and ammunition to people younger than 21 and would remove items resembling assault-style rifles from its website. Dick’s Sporting Goods said it would stop selling assault-style rifles and ban the sale of all guns to anyone under 21.
In 2020, the number of countries touched by the coronavirus climbed to nearly 60. The Dow Jones Industrial Average finished the week 12.4% lower in the market’s worst weekly performance since the 2008 financial crisis.
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Ten years ago: In 2013, Benedict XVI became the first pope in 600 years to resign, ending an eight-year pontificate. (Benedict was succeeded the following month by Pope Francis.) Chelsea Manning, the Army private arrested in the biggest leak of classified information in U.S. history, pleaded guilty at Fort Meade, Maryland, to 10 charges involving illegal possession or distribution of classified material. (Manning was sentenced to up to 35 years in prison after being convicted of additional charges in a court-martial, but had her sentence commuted in 2017 by President Barack Obama.)
Five years ago: Students and teachers returned under police guard to Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School as classes resumed for the first time since a shooting that killed 17 people. President Donald Trump called for substantial changes to the nation’s gun laws, criticizing lawmakers for being fearful of the National Rifle Association. Political leaders paid tribute to the Rev. Billy Graham as his casket rested in the U.S. Capitol Rotunda.
One year ago: Russian forces shelled Ukraine’s second-largest city, rocking a residential neighborhood, and closed in on the capital, Kyiv, in a 17-mile convoy of hundreds of tanks and other vehicles. Talks aimed at stopping the fighting yielded only an agreement to keep talking. A Texas man charged with storming the U.S. Capitol with a holstered handgun on his waist became the first Jan. 6 defendant to go on trial.
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Today’s birthdays:
Architect Frank Gehry is 94.
Singer Sam the Sham is 86.
Actor-director-dancer Tommy Tune is 84.
Hall of Fame auto racer Mario Andretti is 83.
Actor Kelly Bishop is 79.
Actor Stephanie Beacham is 76.
Writer-director Mike Figgis is 75.
Actor Mercedes Ruehl is 75.
Actor Bernadette Peters is 75.
Former Energy Secretary Steven Chu is 75.
Actor Ilene Graff is 74.
Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman is 70.
Basketball Hall of Famer Adrian Dantley is 68.
Actor John Turturro is 66.
Rock singer Cindy Wilson is 66.
Actor Rae Dawn Chong is 62.
Actor Maxine Bahns is 54.
Actor Robert Sean Leonard is 54.
Rock singer Pat Monahan is 54.
Author Daniel Handler (aka “Lemony Snicket”) is 53.
Actor Tasha Smith is 52.
Actor Rory Cochrane is 51.
Actor Ali Larter is 47.
Country singer Jason Aldean is 46.
Actor Geoffrey Arend is 45.
Actor Melanie Chandra (TV: “Code Black”) is 39.
Actor Michelle Horn is 36.
MLB relief pitcher Aroldis Chapman is 35.
Actor True O’Brien is 29.
Actor Madisen Beaty is 28.
Actor Quinn Shephard is 28.
Actor Bobb’e J. Thompson is 27.
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Over/Under is 5
Raz Over/Under is 7
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Over/Under is 5
Raz Over/Under is 7
7
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Way to get us to page 3, APNewsDave.
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Page 3 ladies
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And 2
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
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My wife was awfully friendly this morning. Then I realized it was payday.
Which then brings to mind an important question....are you paid monthly or bi-weekly?
Neither. Semi-monthly.
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And 2
I only knew 1 of the 4, but appreciate the visual aids nonetheless.
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Over/Under is 5
Raz Over/Under is 7
I got nine and didn't know any of the pretty ladies in the photo hints.
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
You don't know Ali Larter in the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues? Tragic.
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
You don't know Ali Larter in the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues? Tragic.
Sorry, no. Never saw that movie but the name is familiar to me.
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
You don't know Ali Larter in the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues? Tragic.
Sorry, no. Never saw that movie but the name is familiar to me.
Actually not a bad movie, worth checking out some night you're bored and have nothing else to watch.
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
You don't know Ali Larter in the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues? Tragic.
Sorry, no. Never saw that movie but the name is familiar to me.
Actually not a bad movie, worth checking out some night you're bored and have nothing else to watch.
I'll add it to the list.
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
You don't know Ali Larter in the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues? Tragic.
Sorry, no. Never saw that movie but the name is familiar to me.
Actually not a bad movie, worth checking out some night you're bored and have nothing else to watch.
I'll add it to the list. 
I say the same thing, and I think a lot of people do as well. And though it's just a saying for most people, I found out recently my parents actually keep a list of the shows they watch, along with where they are in them. It's in a notebook in one of their end tables next to the couch. :D
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
You don't know Ali Larter in the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues? Tragic.
Sorry, no. Never saw that movie but the name is familiar to me.
Actually not a bad movie, worth checking out some night you're bored and have nothing else to watch.
I'll add it to the list. 
I say the same thing, and I think a lot of people do as well. And though it's just a saying for most people, I found out recently my parents actually keep a list of the shows they watch, along with where they are in them. It's in a notebook in one of their end tables next to the couch. :D
Also just realized I quoted the wrong post when starting this discussion, when I wondered why this was in the post about James Bond. Lol
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Apparently, the Undercrown sungrowns have been discontinued, so if you need to stock up, Famous has them on sale while they last:
https://www.famous-smoke.com/brand/liga-undercrown-sun-grown-cigars
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Over/Under is 5
Raz Over/Under is 7
I got nine and didn't know any of the pretty ladies in the photo hints.
Once again, just a fine opportunity to broaden our horizons.
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
You don't know Ali Larter in the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues? Tragic.
Sorry, no. Never saw that movie but the name is familiar to me.
Actually not a bad movie, worth checking out some night you're bored and have nothing else to watch.
I'll add it to the list. 
I say the same thing, and I think a lot of people do as well. And though it's just a saying for most people, I found out recently my parents actually keep a list of the shows they watch, along with where they are in them. It's in a notebook in one of their end tables next to the couch. :D
Just hope they don't have other activities and event notes recorded too. :-[
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Virtue 10th interesting 
Yea, they suckered me in. Then again "amping up" flavors from the Virtue shouldn't be hard.
I'm tempted. I have some time to think about it.
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Morning Tony, Dave and Rick.
Good morning Dave
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And 2
WoWzer
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Apparently, the Undercrown sungrowns have been discontinued, so if you need to stock up, Famous has them on sale while they last:
https://www.famous-smoke.com/brand/liga-undercrown-sun-grown-cigars
Surprising. Good smoke and Drew is gonna sqosh em?
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Apparently, the Undercrown sungrowns have been discontinued, so if you need to stock up, Famous has them on sale while they last:
https://www.famous-smoke.com/brand/liga-undercrown-sun-grown-cigars
Surprising. Good smoke and Drew is gonna sqosh em?
Discontinued or on sale?
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Apparently, the Undercrown sungrowns have been discontinued, so if you need to stock up, Famous has them on sale while they last:
https://www.famous-smoke.com/brand/liga-undercrown-sun-grown-cigars
Surprising. Good smoke and Drew is gonna sqosh em?
Discontinued or on sale?
Famous had a FB post where they said they've been discontinued. But it's FB, so take that with a grain of salt, I guess.
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
You don't know Ali Larter in the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues? Tragic.
Sorry, no. Never saw that movie but the name is familiar to me.
Actually not a bad movie, worth checking out some night you're bored and have nothing else to watch.
I'll add it to the list. 
I say the same thing, and I think a lot of people do as well. And though it's just a saying for most people, I found out recently my parents actually keep a list of the shows they watch, along with where they are in them. It's in a notebook in one of their end tables next to the couch. :D
Just hope they don't have other activities and event notes recorded too. :-[
I didn't peruse the notebook, just in case.
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Morning, muchachos.
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Morning, muchachos.
Morning, Page4Raz.
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Over/Under is 5
Raz Over/Under is 7
Ten.
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
You don't know Ali Larter in the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues? Tragic.
Sorry, no. Never saw that movie but the name is familiar to me.
Actually not a bad movie, worth checking out some night you're bored and have nothing else to watch.
I'll add it to the list. 
I say the same thing, and I think a lot of people do as well. And though it's just a saying for most people, I found out recently my parents actually keep a list of the shows they watch, along with where they are in them. It's in a notebook in one of their end tables next to the couch. :D
That's pretty funny.
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Apparently, the Undercrown sungrowns have been discontinued, so if you need to stock up, Famous has them on sale while they last:
https://www.famous-smoke.com/brand/liga-undercrown-sun-grown-cigars
Surprising. Good smoke and Drew is gonna sqosh em?
Maybe he ran out of tobacco?
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When I first read the headline, I thought this was a joke:
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/entertainment/ian-fleming-james-bond-novels-210118076.html
There might not be much left to read.
No, the violence is still OK. ::)
It depends on who it is inflicted.
You don't know Ali Larter in the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues? Tragic.
Sorry, no. Never saw that movie but the name is familiar to me.
Actually not a bad movie, worth checking out some night you're bored and have nothing else to watch.
I'll add it to the list. 
I say the same thing, and I think a lot of people do as well. And though it's just a saying for most people, I found out recently my parents actually keep a list of the shows they watch, along with where they are in them. It's in a notebook in one of their end tables next to the couch. :D
That's pretty funny.
Well, until Dave had to ruin it.
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But at least he can't ruin quittin' time - hazzuh!
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Interesting. When I go to cigarbanter.com with a browser on my computer, the site says I'm banned. Figured it might be because I had my VPN enabled, so turned it off. Still banned. Rebooted the computer. Still banned.
Weird.
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Interesting. When I go to cigarbanter.com with a browser on my computer, the site says I'm banned. Figured it might be because I had my VPN enabled, so turned it off. Still banned. Rebooted the computer. Still banned.
Weird.
well that ban isn't working to well.
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Interesting. When I go to cigarbanter.com with a browser on my computer, the site says I'm banned. Figured it might be because I had my VPN enabled, so turned it off. Still banned. Rebooted the computer. Still banned.
Weird.
Sorry bud. That's overzealous me banning IPs left and right for the trolls. It was only a matter of time before I would affect the good guys.
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Interesting. When I go to cigarbanter.com with a browser on my computer, the site says I'm banned. Figured it might be because I had my VPN enabled, so turned it off. Still banned. Rebooted the computer. Still banned.
Weird.
well that ban isn't working to well.
Why because he was still able to post from his phone?
It reminds me of this poster my wife bought a while back...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230228/0b6e5dd841a6059734e120bf51c5b996.jpg)
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Interesting. When I go to cigarbanter.com with a browser on my computer, the site says I'm banned. Figured it might be because I had my VPN enabled, so turned it off. Still banned. Rebooted the computer. Still banned.
Weird.
well that ban isn't working to well.
Didn't encompass Tapatalk.
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Interesting. When I go to cigarbanter.com with a browser on my computer, the site says I'm banned. Figured it might be because I had my VPN enabled, so turned it off. Still banned. Rebooted the computer. Still banned.
Weird.
Sorry bud. That's overzealous me banning IPs left and right for the trolls. It was only a matter of time before I would affect the good guys.
Well, calling me a good guy might be a stretch.
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Interesting. When I go to cigarbanter.com with a browser on my computer, the site says I'm banned. Figured it might be because I had my VPN enabled, so turned it off. Still banned. Rebooted the computer. Still banned.
Weird.
well that ban isn't working to well.
Why because he was still able to post from his phone?
It reminds me of this poster my wife bought a while back...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230228/0b6e5dd841a6059734e120bf51c5b996.jpg)
I could have just started trying other VPN servers around the world until I found one that passed through. Like now I'm connected through Canada. But I figured it was better to work out the solution properly.
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Interesting. When I go to cigarbanter.com with a browser on my computer, the site says I'm banned. Figured it might be because I had my VPN enabled, so turned it off. Still banned. Rebooted the computer. Still banned.
Weird.
well that ban isn't working to well.
Why because he was still able to post from his phone?
It reminds me of this poster my wife bought a while back...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230228/0b6e5dd841a6059734e120bf51c5b996.jpg)
I could have just started trying other VPN servers around the world until I found one that passed through. Like now I'm connected through Canada. But I figured it was better to work out the solution properly.
I had originally banned a particular troll's IP addy. Then one day I noticed others with similar IPs so I banned everyone with the same first two octets. That might have been too much.
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Looks like we might start seeing even more ABs soon:
https://halfwheel.com/stg-acquiring-alec-bradley-for-72-5-million/420271/
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Interesting. When I go to cigarbanter.com with a browser on my computer, the site says I'm banned. Figured it might be because I had my VPN enabled, so turned it off. Still banned. Rebooted the computer. Still banned.
Weird.
well that ban isn't working to well.
Why because he was still able to post from his phone?
It reminds me of this poster my wife bought a while back...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230228/0b6e5dd841a6059734e120bf51c5b996.jpg)
I could have just started trying other VPN servers around the world until I found one that passed through. Like now I'm connected through Canada. But I figured it was better to work out the solution properly.
I had originally banned a particular troll's IP addy. Then one day I noticed others with similar IPs so I banned everyone with the same first two octets. That might have been too much. 
Or someone can't take a hint.
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Looks like we might start seeing even more ABs soon:
https://halfwheel.com/stg-acquiring-alec-bradley-for-72-5-million/420271/
$72.5 M seems nuts for AB.
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EPC Seleccion Oscuro
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Nice going.
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Nice going.
This is a powerful little stick. TWSS
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EPC Seleccion Oscuro
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Nice going.
This is a powerful little stick. TWSS
Well aged?