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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2022, 09:56:48 AM »

Ten years ago: The Affordable Care Act narrowly survived, 5-4, an election-year battle at the U.S. Supreme Court with the improbable help of conservative Chief Justice John Roberts. Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting Cabinet member held in contempt of Congress, a rebuke pushed by Republicans seeking to unearth the facts behind a bungled gun-tracking operation known as Fast and Furious. (The vote was 255-67, with more than 100 Democrats boycotting.) Katie Holmes filed for divorce from Tom Cruise after five years of marriage.


Five years ago: Republican donors paid $35,000 apiece to hear a familiar message from President Donald Trump: that the media, particularly CNN, kept trying to take him down, and yet Republicans just kept on winning elections. ABC and a South Dakota meat producer announced a settlement in a $1.9 billion lawsuit against the network over its reports on a beef product that critics dubbed “pink slime.”


One year ago: Temperatures in parts of the Pacific Northwest wiped out records that had been set the day before, with Seattle reaching 108 degrees by evening; meteorologists said the record-breaking heat was caused by a dome of high pressure, and worsened by human-caused climate change. Big-wave surfer Greg “Da Bull” Noll died at 84; he’d become a surfing legend by combining an outsized personality with the courage and skill to ride bigger, more powerful waves than anyone had attempted before.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2022, 09:59:17 AM »

Today’s Birthdays:

Comedian-movie director Mel Brooks is 96.
Comedian-impressionist John Byner is 85.
Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is 84.
Rock musician Dave Knights (Procul Harum) is 77.
Actor Bruce Davison is 76.
Actor Kathy Bates is 74.
Actor Alice Krige is 68.
College and Pro Football Hall of Famer John Elway is 62.
Jazz singer Tierney Sutton is 59.
Actor Jessica Hecht is 57.
Rock musician Saul Davies (James) is 57.
 Actor Mary Stuart Masterson is 56.
Actor John Cusack is 56.
Actor Gil Bellows is 55.
Actor-singer Danielle Brisebois is 53.
Actor Tichina Arnold is 53.
Actor Steve Burton is 52.
Entrepreneur Elon Musk is 51.
Actor Alessandro Nivola (nih-VOH’-luh) is 50.
Actor Camille Guaty is 46.
Rock musician Tim Nordwind (OK Go) is 46.
Rock musician Mark Stoermer (The Killers) is 45.
Country singer Big Vinny Hickerson (Trailer Choir) is 39.
Country singer Kellie Pickler is 36.
Jamaican Olympic track star Elaine Thompson-Herah is 30.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2022, 09:59:46 AM »

Today's Over/Under is 8
Raz Over/Under is 10
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2022, 10:00:09 AM »

Meeting time, but luckily it's a non-video meeting that I only have to marginally pay attention to.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2022, 10:02:21 AM »

Today's Over/Under is 8
Raz Over/Under is 10
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2022, 10:14:26 AM »

Morning muchachos.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2022, 10:14:39 AM »

Today would have been my parents' 64th wedding anniversary. After 7 years, I'd like to think they're celebrating together again this year. May they both rest in peace.
At the very least, they're celebrating in your memory, and I think that counts for something.
Indeed.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2022, 10:16:14 AM »

Permit me to do a little political analysis. I promise I will NOT go into ethics or morality.

The SCOTUS decision striking down Roe v Wade, in the long run, is actually a win for abortion rights supporters. I read the decision, and it all but telegraphs this: "Pass federal legislation. If that legislation is challenged here, we will reiterate that the Supreme Court is staying out of it unless it expressly contradicts the constitution."

There is nothing in the constitution that legislation to legalize abortion at the Federal level is going to contradict. The closest you could get would be the Fifth Amendment, and certainly someone will try to challenge legalized abortion on that grounds. But it won't work, for a very simple reason - regardless of when life begins, citizenship - and constitutional rights - begin at birth, and end at death. And there is no Supreme Court that is going to elevate the rights of a fetus over the rights of a pregnant woman. I know that Pro-Choice activists are screaming this is what just happened, but it isn't. Read the decision. This case simply says the Supreme Court is not going to extrapolate rights that aren't defined in the constitution. If you want to put rights into the constitution, you have to do it by the amendment process.

This isn't even a state-rights issue. If pro-abortion forces get legislation through Congress - and mark my words they will - the very logic in this decision that struck down Roe will have to be applied to say the legislation is constitutional. There is nothing in the constitution that says there is a right to an abortion, and by the same token there is nothing in the constitution that can be construed to proscribe abortion. So, pass Federal legislation and get a president to sign it, and the discussion, from a legal standpoint, is effectively over, under the 10th Amendment and the 14th Amendment. And then, if you really want to establish that abortion is a civil right, amend the constitution.

Roe tried to make a 14th Amendment case to invalidate state laws. It was a weak argument, and I've talked to any number of pro-choice lawyers (we have a bunch of them at WADOH) and even they say it was weak. But an activist court endorsed it.

No matter how one feels about the Roberts court, when you get down to the details, this court handed abortion-rights supporters a huge win. The court has advertised that they will not oppose Federal abortion legislation.

This is just political and legal analysis. I'm not taking any ethical stance here. That would be a discussion for another time, and probably not here. All I'm saying is this decision is not the win that anti-abortion forces wished for, and it is not the disaster that pro-abortion forces say it is. Quite the opposite.

There is now a freshly-paved highway and the political will to establish legalized abortion at the Federal level, and the Religious Right will have zero recourse to stop it. Some states will try to make a 10th Amendment case against it, but it will fail. The Supreme Court has taken itself out of that war.
Interesting late night analysis Mr. Raz.  Overall I agree with your analysis of the decision from a legal perspective, but not so much for the "backdoor win" scenario.  That would require congress to do something, which they are generally unable to do.  Politicians are just as happy to keep this issue up in the air so they can make promises over and over in each election cycle.  If this were put to a popular vote, it would have been decided long ago,

In any case, while this plays out, there is going to be a lot of collateral damage.
Yeah, maybe. We'll see. Everything is collateral damage right now.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2022, 10:19:55 AM »

Today's Over/Under is 8
Raz Over/Under is 10
Just missed it. Nine.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2022, 10:23:57 AM »

Morning muchachos.
Welcome back, Page3Raz.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2022, 10:35:52 AM »

Meeting time, but luckily it's a non-video meeting that I only have to marginally pay attention to.
So you can go outside and have a cigar?
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2022, 10:36:40 AM »

Morning muchachos.
Second good morning Mr. Raz.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2022, 10:46:02 AM »

Got the windows open now and someone is mowing their grass. Smells delightful.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2022, 10:46:46 AM »

Meeting time, but luckily it's a non-video meeting that I only have to marginally pay attention to.
So you can go outside and have a cigar?
I could have, but decided to stay inside today.
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Re: 6/28/2022
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2022, 11:08:33 AM »

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