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[A Friend of Charlie]

Went for some Texas barbecue tonight at a place called Hill Country in Manhattan.  The food is real good but the service was lacking.  It's not so much that they were bad but more confused.  Anyhoo, had some Shiner Ruby Redbird to accompany my moist brisket.  Not the best beer I had in the last couple of days but it went well with the food.

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/143/67274/

[LSUFAN]

Good morning guys.

[LSUFAN]

On this day in history ..
0678 - St Agatho begins his reign as Catholic Pope
1524 - Earl Henry III of Nassau weds Mencia de Medoza, 16-years old marquess
1542 - Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo claims California for Spain
1580 - Duke van Alva's army occupies Portugal
1652 - New Amsterdam (now NYC) passes 1st speed limit law in US
1693 - 1st sea battle of Lagos: England & Holland vs France
1693 - 1st woman's magazine "Ladies' Mercury" published (London)
1697 - Polish parliament selects monarch August van Saksen as king
1743 - English defeat French at Dettingen
1756 - French fleet conquer St Philips Castle of Minorca
1778 - Liberty Bell came home to Phila after the British had left
1806 - Buenos Aires captured by British
1833 - Prudence Crandall, a white woman, arrested for conducting an academy for black females at Canterbury Conn
1847 - NY & Boston linked by telegraph wires
1862 - -28] Battle at Garnett's/Golding's Farms, Virginia
1862 - Battle of Gaines' Mill, VA (Cold Harbor, Chickahominy Bluffs) Day 3
1863 - Skirmish at Fairfax (Courthouse) Virginia
1864 - Atlanta Campaign-Battle of Kennesaw Mountain GA
1867 - Bank of Calif opens doors
1876 - 1st NLer to get 6 hits in 9 inn game (Dave Force, Phila Athletics)
1876 - Democratic Party elects Samuel Tilden as presidential candidate
1890 - Cecil Rhodes' colonies attack Motlousi at Matabeleland
1890 - George Dixon becomes 1st black boxing champ (Bantam weight)
1893 - Great stock crash on NY stock exchange

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1903 - 9th US Golf Open: Willie Anderson shoots a 307 at Baltusrol GC NJ
1905 - Russian sailors mutiny aboard battleship "Potemkin"
1909 - 23rd US Womens Tennis: Hazel H Wightman beats M Barger-Wallach (60 61)
1909 - Etten-Leur 1st airplane flight in Neth (Belg count De Lambert)
1914 - Jack Johnson beats Frank Moran in 20 for heavyweight boxing title
1914 - US signs treaty of commerce with Ethiopia
1915 - 100øF (38øC), Fort Yukon Alaska (state record)
1915 - Dutch SDAP demonstrates against conscription
1917 - 1st baseball player (Hank Gowdy) to enter WW I military service
1922 - Newberry Medal 1st presented for kids literature (Hendrik Van Loon)
1929 - 1st color TV demo (NYC)
1929 - Pres Von Hindenburg refuses to pay German debt of WW I
1931 - 3rd Ryder Cup: US, 9-3 at Scioto CC Ohio
1933 - 4th Ryder Cup: Great Britain, 6«-5« at Southport & Ainsdale, England
1934 - Federal Savings & Loan Association created
1935 - Danno O'Mahoney beats Jim Londos in Boston, to become wrestling champ
1939 - 1st night game at Cleveland Municipal Stadium (Indians 5, Tigers 0)
1939 - Brooklyn Dodgers tie Boston Braves, 2-2, in 23 innings
1939 - Headley scores a cricket century in each innings v England at Lord's
1940 - Soviet Army attacks Romania
1940 - USSR returns to Gregorian calendar
1941 - Bialystok Poland falls to Germany
1941 - Nazi manifest against the Jews in Amsterdam
1942 - FBI captures 8 Nazi saboteurs from a sub off NY's Long Island
1942 - PQ-17 convoy leaves Iceland for Archangelsk
1943 - Elly Dammers throws Dutch record spear (41,43m)
1943 - Fanny Blankers-Koen runs Dutch record 200m (24.5)
1944 - Cherbourg, France liberated by Allies
1945 - Foundation 1940-45 established
1947 - 98øF (36.8øC) in De Bilt Netherlands
1947 - WRC TV channel 4 in Washington DC (NBC) begins broadcasting
1949 - "Captain Video & His Video Rangers," debut on DUMONT-TV
1950 - "Liar" closes at Broadhurst Theater NYC after 12 performances
1950 - 32nd PGA Championship: Chandler Harper at Scioto CC Columbus Ohio
1950 - US sends 35 military advisers to South Vietnam
1950 - North Koreans troop reach Seoul, UN asks members to aid South Korea, Truman orders Air Force & Navy into Korean conflict
1953 - Joseph Laniel appointed French premier
1954 - 1st atomic power station opens (Obninsk, near Moscow, Russia)
1954 - CIA-sponsored rebels overthrow elected government of Guatemala
1955 - "Julius LaRosa Show," debuts on CBS-TV
1955 - 1st automobile seat belt legislation enacted (Illinois)
1956 - Indians trailing Orioles 9-1 come back to win 12-11 in 11 innings
1957 - Hurricane Audrey, kills 526 in Louisiana & Texas
1958 - Billy Pierce's perfect game bid broken with 2 outs in 9th
1958 - Harry Burrell flies KC-135 record (5:27:42. NY to London
1959 - "West Side Story" closes at Winter Garden Theater NYC after 734 perfs

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1959 - 14th US Women's Open Golf Championship won by Mickey Wright
1959 - Players vote Henry Aaron unanimously for the All-Star Game
1960 - British Somaliland becomes part of Somalia
1960 - Chlorophyll "A" synthesized Cambridge Mass
1960 - Oil pipe line from Rotterdam-Ruhrgebied opens
1962 - NASA civilian pilot Joseph Walker takes X-15 to 6,606 kph, 37,700 m
1962 - Ross Perot begins Electronic Data Systems
1963 - Bill J Kramer & Dakotas record Lennon & McCartney "I Call Your Name"
1963 - Pres Kennedy spent 1st full day in Ireland
1963 - USAF Major Robert A Rushworth in X-15 reaches 86,900 m
1963 - Phillies Johnny Callison hits for cycle, but Phillie centerfielder Tony Gonzalez's error ends his record 205 consecutive errorless games
1964 - "New Phil Silvers Show," last airs on CBS-TV
1964 - "Sie Liebt Dich (She Loves You)" by Die Beatles peaks at #97
1964 - Jan & Dean release "Little Old Lady From Pasadena"
1965 - Carol Mann wins LPGA Carling Golf Open
1966 - 1st sci-fi soap opera, "Dark Shadows," premieres on ABC-TV
1966 - 4th Mayor's Trophy Game; Yanks beat Mets 5-2
1967 - Race riot in Buffalo NY (200 arrested)
1968 - Ludvik Vaculik publishes "Manifest of 2000 words" in Prague
1969 - 50,000 attend Denver Pop Festival
1969 - Honduras/El Salvador breaks diplomatic relations due to soccer match
1969 - Police raid Stonewall Gay Bar in Greenwich Village, NY, about 400 to 1,000 patrons riot against police, it lasts 3 days
1971 - "You're a Good Man Charlie Brown" closes at Golden NYC after 31 perfs
1971 - 26th US Women's Open Golf Championship won by JoAnne Carner
1973 - "Live & Let Die" premieres in US
1973 - John W Dean tells Watergate Committee about Nixon's "enemies list"
1973 - Uruguay suspends constitution
1974 - "Flip Wilson Show," last airs on NBC-TV
1974 - US president Nixon visits USSR
1976 - "Pacific Overtures" closes at Winter Garden NYC after 193 perfs
1976 - Air France Airbus hijacked in Germany to Uganda
1976 - Israeli raid on Entebbe, Uganda
1976 - Judy Rankin wins LPGA Babe Didrikson-Zaharias Golf Invitational
1976 - Portuguese general Antonio Eanes elected president
1977 - 5-4 Supreme Court decision allows lawyers to advertise
1977 - Djibouti (Afars & Issas) claims Independence from France
1977 - Willie McCovey smashes 2 HRs in inning for 2nd time (Apr 12, 1973)
1978 - Henry Rono of Kenya sets record for 3,000 m, 7:32.1
1978 - Soyuz 30 carries 2 cosmonauts (1 Polish) to Salyut 6 space station
1978 - US Seasat 1, 1st oceanographic satellite, launched into polar orbit
1979 - Muhammad Ali retires as boxing champ
1979 - Supreme Court rules employers may use quotas to help minorities
1980 - 1st female state police graduates (NJ)
1980 - Dodger's Jerry Reuss' no-hits SF Giants 8-0
1980 - Italian plane crashes into Tyrrheense Sea, kills 81
1980 - US revives draft registration

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1981 - "Bette Davis Eyes" by Kim Carnes returns to #1 slot
1981 - Cambodia adopts its constitution
1981 - Pamela Jenks, 21, crowned 14th Miss Black America
1982 - "Dancin'" closes at Broadhurst Theater NYC after 1,774 performances
1982 - "Play Me a Country Song" opens & closes at Virginia Theater NYC
1982 - STS-4 Launch (Columbia)
1982 - Sandra Haynie wins LPGA Rochester Golf International
1983 - Highest price paid for painting by a living artist-œ960,200-Mir¢
1983 - Mariners bat out of order against White Sox in 2nd inning
1983 - NASA launches space vehicle S-205
1983 - Soyuz T-9 carries 2 cosmonauts to Salyut 7 space station
1984 - Emmy 11th Daytime Award presentation - Susan Lucci loses for 5th time
1984 - Fire destroys a set in "A View to the Kill"
1984 - France wins soccer's European Cup
1984 - Late Night's 1st Tower Drop
1984 - Supreme Court ends NCAA monopoly on college football telecasts
1985 - 1st hotel strike in NY
1985 - Route 66 (Chicago to Santa Monica), is decertified
1986 - Anne White shocks Wimbledon by wearing only a body stocking
1986 - In referendum, Irish uphold ban on divorce
1986 - Robby Thompson (SF) sets record, caught stealing 4 times in 1 game
1986 - SF Giant Robby Thompson is caught stealing record 4 times
1986 - US informs NZ it will not defend it against attack
1986 - World Court rules US aid to Nicaraguan contras illegal
1987 - Supreme Court Justice Powell retires
1988 - Mike Tyson KOs Michael Spink in 91 seconds, in Atlantic City ($67m)
1988 - Reds bat out of order against Padres in 1st inning
1990 - Jos‚ Canseco signs record $4,700,000 per year Oak A's contract
1990 - Salman Rushdie, condemned to death by Iran, contributes $8600 to help their earthquake victims
1991 - Emmy 18th Daytime Award presentation - Susan Lucci loses for 12th time
1992 - "57 Channels (and Nothin' on)" by Bruce Springsteen peaks at #68
1992 - 193rd ranked Andrei Olhovsky defeats #1 seed Jim Courier at Wimbledon
1992 - Dan O'Brien fails on pole vault & eliminated from Olympics decathlon
1992 - Daryl Gates retires as LA police chief
1992 - Denmark upsets German 2-0, to win European Soccer championship
1993 - "Falsettos" closes at John Golden Theater NYC after 487 performances
1993 - 11th Seniors Players Golf Championship: Jim Colbert
1993 - Actress Julia Roberts weds country singer Lyle Lovett
1993 - NY Met pitcher Anthony Young loses record 24th straight game
1993 - Shelley Hamlin wins ShopRite LPGA Golf Classic
1993 - Don Henley booed in Milwaukee when he dedicates the song "It's Not Easy Being Green" to President Clinton
1994 - "Gray's Anatomy" closes at Beaumont Theater NYC after 8 performances
1994 - 118øF (47.8øC) at Lakewood New Mexico[dup]
1994 - 118øF (47.8øC) at Lakewood New Mexico (state record)
1994 - 12th Seniors Players Golf Championship: Dave Stockton
1994 - NY Daily News increases prices to 50›
1995 - Holland's debut in English domestic comp (v Northants, NatWest)
1995 - Mason City Iowa's TV news personality Jodi Huisentruit disappears
1995 - Space shuttle STS-71 (Atlantis 14), launches
1995 - Former WMMS engineer William Alford is sentenced to 10 days & $1,000 fine for cutting feed during Howard Stern's broadcast from Cleveland

[LSUFAN]

Famous birthdays for this day ..

1462 - Louis XII, the Just, King of France (1498-1515)
1550 - Charles IX, King of France (1560-74)
1615 - Johann Paul Schor, German Baroque painter
1718 - Wenzel Raimund Pirck, composer
1745 - Johann Nepomuk Went, composer
1789 - Philipp Friedrich Silcher, composer
1805 - Stephen Elvey, composer
1808 - Everhardus J Potgieter, Dutch writer/publisher (The Guide)
1809 - Fran‡ois de Canrobert, French marshal/parliament member
1812 - John Pike Hullah, composer
1819 - Carl Albert Loeschhorn, composer
1821 - August Conradi, composer
1828 - Junius Daniel, Brig General (Confederate Army), died in 1864
1833 - Vladislav Ivanovich Zaremba, composer
1838 - Bankim Chandra Chatterjee, Bengali novelist (Anandamath)
1846 - Charles S Parnell, English/Irish Home Rule Party-Lower house member
1849 - Harriet Hubbard Ayers, beauty cream maufacturer & expert/columnist
1850 - Ivan Vazov, Bulgaria, poet/novelist/playwright (Under the Yoke)
1850 - Jacob Adolf Hagg, composer
1850 - Lafcadio Hearn, US, journalist/author (Chita)
1859 - Mildred J Hill, composer/musician (Happy Birthday To You)
1862 - May Irwin, US comedienne/singer (Hot Time in the Old Town)
1869 - Emma Goldman, anarchist/publisher (Mother Earth)
1872 - Paul Laurence Dunbar, Dayton Ohio, poet/novelist (Oak & Ivory)
1878 - Jean F Van Royen, Dutch bibliophile/secretary-general of PTT
1880 - Helen Keller, Ala, blind-deaf author/lecturer had more sense than many
1882 - Eduard Spranger, German psychologist/educator
1884 - Forrester Harvey, Ireland, actor (Tarzan, Chump at Oxford)
1884 - Gaston Bachelard, French philosopher (La psychanalyse du feu)
1885 - Arthur Harmat, composer
1886 - Charles Macartney, cricketer (Governor-General)
1889 - Alfred Courtens, Belgian sculptor
1889 - Moroni Olsen, Ogden UT, actor (Annie Oakley, Black Gold, Snow White)
1896 - Franciscus J Feron, vicaris-general of Roermond
1898 - Alexandra G "Alja" von Hoyer-Rachmanova, Russ/Aust author (Students)
1898 - Tibor Harsanyi, composer

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1900 - Otto E Passman, (Rep-D-La, 1947-77)
1905 - Ruby Middleton Forsythe, teacher (50 years in 1 room school in SC)
1906 - Vernon P Watkins, Welsh poet (Ballad of Mari Lwyd)
1907 - John McIntire, Spokane WA, actor (Naked City, Wagon Train, Virginian)
1907 - Valerie Cossart, London, actress (Hartmans)
1908 - Hans de Jong, musician/conductor (De Damrakkertjes)
1908 - William Eric David Davis, broadcaster
1909 - Gianandrea Gavazzeni, composer
1910 - Karel Reiner, composer
1911 - Alfred Scott Witherbee Jr, US, 3 year old who drowned on Lusitania
1911 - Paul Eekman, Flemish RC politician (1964- )
1911 - V K Narayana Menon, composer
1912 - Audrey Christie, Chic Ill, actress (Dorothy-Fair Exchange)
1913 - Willie Mosconi, world champion pool player (1941-57)
1914 - Alexander Pola, [Abraham Polak], Dutch actor/writer (Farce Major)
1914 - Giorgio Almirante, Italy, fascist (member of parliament (1948-87))
1915 - Hendrik W van Leeuwen, musician
1916 - Arthur Walter Lucas, picture restorer
1916 - Hallvard Olav Johnsen, composer
1917 - K M Rangnekar, cricketer (batted in 3 Tests India v Australia 1947-48)
1917 - Ronald George Hayward, political manager
1918 - Adolph Kiefer, US, 100m backstroke swimmer (Olympic-gold-1936)
1920 - I A L Diamond, screenwriter (1960 Acad Award-Apartment)
1921 - G M J Veldkamp, Dutch politician (CDA)
1922 - George Theophilus Walker, Washington DC, composer (Praise of Lillies)
1922 - Herbert Ziergiebel, writer
1923 - Paul F Conrad, Cedar Rapids Iowa, cartoonist (Pulitzer 1964, 71, 84)
1924 - Bob Appleyard, cricketer (superb England off-spinner, brief career)
1924 - Efua Theodore Sutherland, writer
1924 - Paul Conrad, comic strip cartoonist (LA Times)
1925 - Jerome "Doc" Pomus, rocker
1926 - Frank O'Hara, writer
1927 - Bob Keeshan, Lynbrook NY, aka Capt Kangaroo/Clarabelle (Good Morning)
1927 - Peter Bayliss, Thames England, actor (From Russia With Love)
1927 - Robert Casey, Rochester NY, actor (Henry-Aldrich Family Show)
1930 - H Ross Perot, Texas, billionaire/presidental candidate (1992)
1930 - Tamio Kono, Sacramento CA, weightlifting (Oly-gold-52, 56, 60)
1931 - Alojz Srebotnjak, composer
1931 - Charles Bronfman, CEO (Seagrams, Montreal Expos)
1931 - Ryszard Kwiatkowski, composer
1932 - Hugh Wood, composer
1932 - Joachim Wohlgemuth, writer
1934 - Anna Moffo, Wayne Penn, soprano (Adventurers) [or 1927/1932]
1935 - Eduard Pavlovich Kugno, Russia, cosmonaut
1935 - Frans K”hler, painter
1936 - John MD "Shali" Shalikashvili, Polish/US general (NATO)
1937 - Joseph P Allen IV, Crawfordsville Ind, PhD/astronaut (STS-5, STS 51A)
1938 - Bruce E Babbitt, (Gov-D-AL)/secretary of interior

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1938 - Gordon Rorke, cricketer (Australian quickie, 4 Tests at end of 50's)
1938 - Shirley Ann Field, actress (Beat Girl, Kings of the Sun) [or Jul 27]
1939 - Neil Hawke, cricketer (Aust pace bowler & late-order bat in 60s)
1940 - Erik Erikson, anthropologist
1941 - James P[atrick] Hogan, UK, sci-fi author (Giants' Star)
1941 - Krzysztof Kieslowski, Poland, director/actor (Underground Passage)
1942 - Frank Mills, pianist/composer/arranger (Music Box Dancer)
1942 - John Howard McGuire, composer
1944 - Bruce Johnston, rocker
1944 - Cornelis J "Kees" Ouwens, Dutch writer/poet (Intimate Acts)
1944 - Patrick Sercu, Belgium, 1K time trial (Olympic-gold-1964)
1945 - Catherine Lacoste, Paris France, golfer (US Women's Open 1967)
1945 - John Veltch, horse trainer
1945 - Norma Kamali, NYC, dress designer (Costumes for the Wiz)
1946 - Daria Semegen, composer
1946 - Janice Giteck, composer
1946 - Sally Priesand, 1st us woman rabbi
1947 - Francisca "Cisca" Beaudoux, actress (2 Under a Cap)
1948 - Angel Penna Jr, horse trainer
1950 - Benjamin Peterson, US, heavyweight boxer (Olympic-gold-1972)
1950 - Julia Duffy, Minneapolis Mn, actress (Stephanie-Newhart, Baby Talk)
1951 - Sidney M Gutierrez, Albuquerque NM, Mjr USAF/astronaut (STS 40, 59)
1951 - Ulf Andersson, Sweden, International Chess Grandmaster (1972)
1953 - Kent Bostick, Lowell Mass, pursuit cyclist (Olympics-84, 96)
1955 - Frank H G de Grave, Dutch MP (VVD)
1955 - Isabelle Adjani, Paris, actress (Story of Adele H, Driver, Ishtar)
1956 - Jeff Odintz, horse trainer
1957 - Jack Poels, Dutch rock vocalist/gitarist (Rowwen HŠze-In the Wei)
1958 - Jeffrey Lee Pierce, singer/songwriter (Gun Club)
1958 - Robert Newman, LA Calif, actor (Joshua Lewis-Guiding Light)
1959 - Lorrie Morgan, Nashville Tn, country singer (Out of Your Shoes)
1959 - Trisha Yearwood, Nashville Tenn, singer (She's in Love With the Boy)
1960 - 7th marquess of Cholmondeley, English large landowner/millionaire
1960 - Brian Dillinger, Brooklyn NY, actor (Brighton Beach Memoirs)
1960 - Jim Nussle, (Rep-R-Iowa)
1963 - Stephen Peterson, Detroit Mich, Conn, rower (Olympics-1996)
1964 - Chuck Person, NBA forward (San Antonio Spurs)
1966 - Jason Patric, NYC, actor (Lost Boys, Solar Babies)
1966 - Jeff Conine, Tacoma Washington, outfielder (Florida Marlins)
1966 - Mercedes Paz, Tucum Argentina, tennis star (1990 Strasbourg)
1966 - Rob Harbison, Fallston MD, 3x40 rifle (Olympics-6th-1996)
1967 - Lester Archambeau, NFL defensive end (Atlanta Falcons)
1967 - Michelle Torres, Chicago IL, tennis star
1967 - Sylvie Fr‚chette, Montreal QUE, synchro swimmer (Oly-gold/silv-92, 96)
1968 - Jason Patric, actor (Speed 2 Cruise Control)
1969 - Mark Telerico, Cleveland Ohio, Canadian Tour golfer (1994 S Florida)
1970 - Petra Langrova, Prostejov Czech, tennis star (1995 Palermo doubles)
1970 - Ricardo Jordan, Delray Beach Fla, pitcher (Phila Phillies)
1971 - Brant Boyer, linebacker (Jacksonville Jaguars)
1971 - Jimmy Kemp, CFL quarterback (Edmonton Eskimos)
1973 - Heath Irwin, guard (New England Patriots)
1973 - Jennifer Brundage, US softball infielder (Olympics-gold-96)
1973 - Wendell Davis, cornerback (Dallas Cowboys)
1974 - Juran Bolden, NFL cornerback (Atlanta Falcons)
1975 - Porter Collins, NYC, rower (Olympics-5th-1996)
1975 - Sarah Evanetz, Vancouver BC, 100m butterfly (Olympics-96)

[LSUFAN]

Ten Commandments
-------------------------

The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a
courthouse is this:

You cannot post "Thou Shalt Not Steal," "Thou Shalt Not Commit
Adultery," and "Thou Shall Not Lie" in a building full of lawyers, judges and
politicians...

It creates a hostile work environment.

[Travellin Dave]

Ten Commandments
-------------------------

The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a
courthouse is this:

You cannot post "Thou Shalt Not Steal," "Thou Shalt Not Commit
Adultery," and "Thou Shall Not Lie" in a building full of lawyers, judges and
politicians...

It creates a hostile work environment.

Now that's an understatement.

[Travellin Dave]

Morning Chip

[Travellin Dave]

Looks like everyone is sleeping in today.

[South Carolina Redfish]

Went for some Texas barbecue tonight at a place called Hill Country in Manhattan.  The food is real good but the service was lacking.  It's not so much that they were bad but more confused.  Anyhoo, had some Shiner Ruby Redbird to accompany my moist brisket.  Not the best beer I had in the last couple of days but it went well with the food.

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/143/67274/

I like some Shiners but not Ruby.

Place sounds authentic as bad service is pretty common with Hill Country BBQ.