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Re: 3/28/2022
« Reply #60 on: March 28, 2022, 02:52:25 PM »

Todays Over/Under is 5
Raz Over/Under is 8
Spot on.

Morning, QueerConfusionDave.
So you gonna answer my question?
I can't answer it. Although I noticed it had become popular again, I thought using "queer" was derogatory and therefore, I have been avoiding it. I assume if one does not identify as a woman, they shouldn't use lesbian either. I think you're asking the wrong lot.
That's the issue I have with all these labels.  People expect to be recognized by the proper term, yet those are frequently changing.  Even if you try to show respect, you are almost guaranteed failure.  Just like the gay rainbow flag...seemed clear and inclusive enough, but now you have to add additional colors and such...
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Re: 3/28/2022
« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2022, 03:24:12 PM »

That is certainly true about the flags. I guess it's good that we're being kept on our toes.
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Re: 3/28/2022
« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2022, 05:03:54 PM »

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Re: 3/28/2022
« Reply #63 on: March 28, 2022, 05:13:59 PM »

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Re: 3/28/2022
« Reply #64 on: March 28, 2022, 06:02:47 PM »

On the  positive side, they got all the bases covered with this award:

Ariana DeBose capped a stunning awards season by winning the best supporting actress award for her role as Anita in "West Side Story" – becoming the first openly queer Afro-Latina to win an acting Oscar.
Now asking for some clarification/education....what's the difference between queer, gay and lesbian?  (not a joke intro....)

Okay, I didn't want to be the one who did this, but you have asked, so here we go.

Lesbian: Women who prefer having romantic or sexual relationships with other women

Gay:  Originally used as a pseudonym for "homosexual," but because after Stonewall the press gave a lot of coverage to the "angry gay male", Lesbians began avoiding the term.  So like Kleenex now refers to any facial tissue, "Gay" now mostly refers to men who prefer to have romantic or sexual relationships with other men.

Bisexual:  People who have romantic or sexual relationships with both men and women.  Increasingly preferred by people who are sexually "binary," meaning they are attracted to men and women, but not trans or queer (genderqueer) people.

Transsexual:  People who identify as a sex other than what their chromosomes might indicate, regardless of whether they seek transitional surgery.

Queer:  Increasingly being replaced by "genderqueer."  Denotes or relates to a person who does not subscribe to conventional gender distinctions but identifies with neither, both, or a combination of male and female genders.  Overlaps with nonbinary, but is often characterized by overt defiance of conventional norms and definitions.  If you're at a Pride parade, the marchers in the most "outrageous" costumes, or the ones who proclaim themselves "Bull Dykes" probably identify as queer.  It's often a defiant or confrontational descriptor.  Queer also has been used to describe those lesbians who "present" in a traditionally male fashion, but don't identify as men or trans-men, and also those homosexual men who present in an a traditionally effeminate way but do not identify as women or trans-women.

Nonbinary: Usually used by people who may not consider themselves to be any conventionally-defined gender or sexual identity, nor attracted to any particular gender or sexual identify.  Overlaps by definition with queer or genderqueer, but often preferred by those who do not reject relationships with transsexuals.
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Re: 3/28/2022
« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2022, 06:19:34 PM »

Todays Over/Under is 5
Raz Over/Under is 8
Spot on.

Morning, QueerConfusionDave.
So you gonna answer my question?
I can't answer it. Although I noticed it had become popular again, I thought using "queer" was derogatory and therefore, I have been avoiding it. I assume if one does not identify as a woman, they shouldn't use lesbian either. I think you're asking the wrong lot.
That's the issue I have with all these labels.  People expect to be recognized by the proper term, yet those are frequently changing.  Even if you try to show respect, you are almost guaranteed failure.  Just like the gay rainbow flag...seemed clear and inclusive enough, but now you have to add additional colors and such...
Most descriptors evolve and take on shades of meaning.  Once upon a time I was a computer programmer, but then software became a consumer commodity, and those "programmers" who created software products to sell became more commonly referred to as Application Developers.  Then, as applications became increasingly complex and required teams of people responsible for their creation, they more frequently became Software Developers.  Microsoft still calls them Software Engineers, but this mightily pisses off those who hold state credentials for engineers, and membership in the proper certifying associations, so Microsoft has been trying to clean that up.

Now I usually identify as a Systems Analyst, an outdated term for which people must ask for explanation, which allows me to point out that I am a coder, a database administrator, a data administrator, and a data specialist, and also describes my role as a supervisor of data specialists and database administrators.
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Re: 3/28/2022
« Reply #66 on: March 28, 2022, 07:50:02 PM »

Looks like the coach of the Cinderella Peacocks has already found greener pastures:

https://www.audacy.com/wfan/sports/report-shaheen-holloway-finalizing-deal-with-seton-hall
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Re: 3/28/2022
« Reply #67 on: March 28, 2022, 11:25:51 PM »

Looks like the coach of the Cinderella Peacocks has already found greener pastures:

https://www.audacy.com/wfan/sports/report-shaheen-holloway-finalizing-deal-with-seton-hall
Really thought he would hold out for a lot better.
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Re: 3/28/2022
« Reply #68 on: March 28, 2022, 11:27:43 PM »

On the  positive side, they got all the bases covered with this award:

Ariana DeBose capped a stunning awards season by winning the best supporting actress award for her role as Anita in "West Side Story" – becoming the first openly queer Afro-Latina to win an acting Oscar.
Now asking for some clarification/education....what's the difference between queer, gay and lesbian?  (not a joke intro....)

Okay, I didn't want to be the one who did this, but you have asked, so here we go.

Lesbian: Women who prefer having romantic or sexual relationships with other women

Gay:  Originally used as a pseudonym for "homosexual," but because after Stonewall the press gave a lot of coverage to the "angry gay male", Lesbians began avoiding the term.  So like Kleenex now refers to any facial tissue, "Gay" now mostly refers to men who prefer to have romantic or sexual relationships with other men.

Bisexual:  People who have romantic or sexual relationships with both men and women.  Increasingly preferred by people who are sexually "binary," meaning they are attracted to men and women, but not trans or queer (genderqueer) people.

Transsexual:  People who identify as a sex other than what their chromosomes might indicate, regardless of whether they seek transitional surgery.

Queer:  Increasingly being replaced by "genderqueer."  Denotes or relates to a person who does not subscribe to conventional gender distinctions but identifies with neither, both, or a combination of male and female genders.  Overlaps with nonbinary, but is often characterized by overt defiance of conventional norms and definitions.  If you're at a Pride parade, the marchers in the most "outrageous" costumes, or the ones who proclaim themselves "Bull Dykes" probably identify as queer.  It's often a defiant or confrontational descriptor.  Queer also has been used to describe those lesbians who "present" in a traditionally male fashion, but don't identify as men or trans-men, and also those homosexual men who present in an a traditionally effeminate way but do not identify as women or trans-women.

Nonbinary: Usually used by people who may not consider themselves to be any conventionally-defined gender or sexual identity, nor attracted to any particular gender or sexual identify.  Overlaps by definition with queer or genderqueer, but often preferred by those who do not reject relationships with transsexuals.
Still can't say I'm comfortable with the definition of Queer...
like you say, these definitions keep evolving, so it will remain confusing.
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