Quote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 10:13:22 AMQuote from: Travellin Dave on June 22, 2023, 10:11:06 AMQuote from: razgueado on June 22, 2023, 10:07:12 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:39:59 AMQuote from: A Friend of Charlie on June 22, 2023, 08:33:46 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:28:57 AMTitanic submersible still missing, so they're right up against the clock, from an oxygen standpoint.Just heard something about how after so much time those things just float right back to the top. Why don't they time that with the amount of oxygen is left?Apparently, it was supposed to pop up after 24 hours. It's designed with the ropes holding the ballast in place that dissolve after 24 hours, which should allow it to come up. So not sure why that hasn't happened yet, but it doesn't bode well.I heard a guy describing worst case scenarios about this, and he suggested the worst-case scenario, and the one he think is the case, is that they are bobbing on the surface and the searchers can't find them in the six-foot swells and whitecaps. The hatch must be unbolted from the outside. So the folks inside could suffocate while bobbing on the surface.There's a cheery thought for you.You would think that they would put a transponder on subs. Not like it's a difficult addition.Sounds like the guy who developed it isn't really much into things like safety and common sense.I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. Transponders don't work underwater below a certain depth, and they require power. In a vehicle as complicated as a deep-diving submersible, a transponder can become more liability than benefit.Regardless, there's nothing safe about what they were doing, and no way to make it so. The passengers had to sign a, like, seven-page waiver that detailed all the ways they could die. They knew the risks, and paid dearly to take those risks. Skydiving is far safer than diving to the Titanic. Climbing Everest is safer than diving to the Titanic. And people die every year skydiving or climbing Everest, having happily accepted the risks.If you set out to enrich your life experience by venturing into environments fundamentally hostile to human life, you risk dying. That's the choice.
Quote from: Travellin Dave on June 22, 2023, 10:11:06 AMQuote from: razgueado on June 22, 2023, 10:07:12 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:39:59 AMQuote from: A Friend of Charlie on June 22, 2023, 08:33:46 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:28:57 AMTitanic submersible still missing, so they're right up against the clock, from an oxygen standpoint.Just heard something about how after so much time those things just float right back to the top. Why don't they time that with the amount of oxygen is left?Apparently, it was supposed to pop up after 24 hours. It's designed with the ropes holding the ballast in place that dissolve after 24 hours, which should allow it to come up. So not sure why that hasn't happened yet, but it doesn't bode well.I heard a guy describing worst case scenarios about this, and he suggested the worst-case scenario, and the one he think is the case, is that they are bobbing on the surface and the searchers can't find them in the six-foot swells and whitecaps. The hatch must be unbolted from the outside. So the folks inside could suffocate while bobbing on the surface.There's a cheery thought for you.You would think that they would put a transponder on subs. Not like it's a difficult addition.Sounds like the guy who developed it isn't really much into things like safety and common sense.
Quote from: razgueado on June 22, 2023, 10:07:12 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:39:59 AMQuote from: A Friend of Charlie on June 22, 2023, 08:33:46 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:28:57 AMTitanic submersible still missing, so they're right up against the clock, from an oxygen standpoint.Just heard something about how after so much time those things just float right back to the top. Why don't they time that with the amount of oxygen is left?Apparently, it was supposed to pop up after 24 hours. It's designed with the ropes holding the ballast in place that dissolve after 24 hours, which should allow it to come up. So not sure why that hasn't happened yet, but it doesn't bode well.I heard a guy describing worst case scenarios about this, and he suggested the worst-case scenario, and the one he think is the case, is that they are bobbing on the surface and the searchers can't find them in the six-foot swells and whitecaps. The hatch must be unbolted from the outside. So the folks inside could suffocate while bobbing on the surface.There's a cheery thought for you.You would think that they would put a transponder on subs. Not like it's a difficult addition.
Quote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:39:59 AMQuote from: A Friend of Charlie on June 22, 2023, 08:33:46 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:28:57 AMTitanic submersible still missing, so they're right up against the clock, from an oxygen standpoint.Just heard something about how after so much time those things just float right back to the top. Why don't they time that with the amount of oxygen is left?Apparently, it was supposed to pop up after 24 hours. It's designed with the ropes holding the ballast in place that dissolve after 24 hours, which should allow it to come up. So not sure why that hasn't happened yet, but it doesn't bode well.I heard a guy describing worst case scenarios about this, and he suggested the worst-case scenario, and the one he think is the case, is that they are bobbing on the surface and the searchers can't find them in the six-foot swells and whitecaps. The hatch must be unbolted from the outside. So the folks inside could suffocate while bobbing on the surface.There's a cheery thought for you.
Quote from: A Friend of Charlie on June 22, 2023, 08:33:46 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:28:57 AMTitanic submersible still missing, so they're right up against the clock, from an oxygen standpoint.Just heard something about how after so much time those things just float right back to the top. Why don't they time that with the amount of oxygen is left?Apparently, it was supposed to pop up after 24 hours. It's designed with the ropes holding the ballast in place that dissolve after 24 hours, which should allow it to come up. So not sure why that hasn't happened yet, but it doesn't bode well.
Quote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:28:57 AMTitanic submersible still missing, so they're right up against the clock, from an oxygen standpoint.Just heard something about how after so much time those things just float right back to the top. Why don't they time that with the amount of oxygen is left?
Titanic submersible still missing, so they're right up against the clock, from an oxygen standpoint.
Quote from: razgueado on June 22, 2023, 10:39:49 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 10:13:22 AMQuote from: Travellin Dave on June 22, 2023, 10:11:06 AMQuote from: razgueado on June 22, 2023, 10:07:12 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:39:59 AMQuote from: A Friend of Charlie on June 22, 2023, 08:33:46 AMQuote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 08:28:57 AMTitanic submersible still missing, so they're right up against the clock, from an oxygen standpoint.Just heard something about how after so much time those things just float right back to the top. Why don't they time that with the amount of oxygen is left?Apparently, it was supposed to pop up after 24 hours. It's designed with the ropes holding the ballast in place that dissolve after 24 hours, which should allow it to come up. So not sure why that hasn't happened yet, but it doesn't bode well.I heard a guy describing worst case scenarios about this, and he suggested the worst-case scenario, and the one he think is the case, is that they are bobbing on the surface and the searchers can't find them in the six-foot swells and whitecaps. The hatch must be unbolted from the outside. So the folks inside could suffocate while bobbing on the surface.There's a cheery thought for you.You would think that they would put a transponder on subs. Not like it's a difficult addition.Sounds like the guy who developed it isn't really much into things like safety and common sense.I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. Transponders don't work underwater below a certain depth, and they require power. In a vehicle as complicated as a deep-diving submersible, a transponder can become more liability than benefit.Regardless, there's nothing safe about what they were doing, and no way to make it so. The passengers had to sign a, like, seven-page waiver that detailed all the ways they could die. They knew the risks, and paid dearly to take those risks. Skydiving is far safer than diving to the Titanic. Climbing Everest is safer than diving to the Titanic. And people die every year skydiving or climbing Everest, having happily accepted the risks.If you set out to enrich your life experience by venturing into environments fundamentally hostile to human life, you risk dying. That's the choice.The highway and airport are hostile enough to challenge my life experience. I think the following is much more enriching to my experience.
Debris field found near the Titanic wreckage. Sounds like they believe it's from the submersible, news conference scheduled for 3 pm.
Quote from: LuvTooGolf on June 22, 2023, 01:34:49 PMDebris field found near the Titanic wreckage. Sounds like they believe it's from the submersible, news conference scheduled for 3 pm.Seems like they're relatively certain they went the implosion route. Which, if they had to go, was probably the best choice.