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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2023, 01:19:48 PM »

Something I want to address from yesterday, about Social Security.

Traveling Dave said:

"Because politicians keep using the money for all kinds of programs and for people who have never paid into the system.  Like spouses and child benefits, disabled persons and on and on.  There WAS so much money in the program, they just couldn't help themselves."

It's not just that politicians couldn't help themselves. From day one, the Social Security Act authorized the Managing Trustee (The Secretary of the Treasury) to invest excess funds in the trusts. But it was also baked in that the only investment option available to the Trustee is a special series of Treasury securities. In other words, the only way the Trustee can earn interest for the fund is to lend the money to the federal government. He cannot put it into a bank, he cannot invest it in the stock market, he cannot do anything with the excess except lend it to the federal government.

Of course, the Treasury Secretary is a cabinet appointee, so he's quite happy to do this to support the agenda of the president who appointed him, so when the administration presents or supports legislation that requires funding, one source of funds is the money from the sale of those special Treasury securities to the SS trust funds.

The administration is forbidden by the act from counting the trust funds as part of its budget, but that obviously doesn't stop the administration from using it, nor prevent Congress from instructing the administration to utilize it. And there's another common misconception - people accuse Congress of "pillaging" the funds, but the Congress can't actually do it, they can only recommend to or instruct the administration to do it.

So, it wasn't just opportunism by politicians saying, "Oh look, here's a pot of money we can dip into!" It was designed into the Social Security Act from day 1 that excess from the trust funds would be loaned to the government - and ONLY the government.

The government COULD, conceivably, theoretically, borrow the money and invest it for return. But that doesn't get anyone votes. So pigs will fly before that happens.
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2023, 01:20:48 PM »

Nice day for pi.
Or steak, if you're an Urban Dictionary fan. :D
I'll go with that one.  Gave up pie for lent.
You have a better chance with pi. :D

Morning, APNewsDave.
Don't know about that.  Things have been looking up.... ;)
Figment getting your foot in the door with some widows along your route?
Why does she have to be a widow?
Well, as a matter of fact...   ???   :-X
Well look at you... Dean?
Not by a long shot.
No hot tubs,
No redheads,
No multiples
No mother-daughter tag teams
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2023, 01:26:41 PM »

Nice day for pi.
Or steak, if you're an Urban Dictionary fan. :D
I'll go with that one.  Gave up pie for lent.
You have a better chance with pi. :D

Morning, APNewsDave.
Don't know about that.  Things have been looking up.... ;)
Figment getting your foot in the door with some widows along your route?
Actually, that has never been the problem.  Plenty of interest shown, I just was a bit too picky.
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2023, 01:28:36 PM »

Nice day for pi.
Or steak, if you're an Urban Dictionary fan. :D
I'll go with that one.  Gave up pie for lent.
You have a better chance with pi. :D

Morning, APNewsDave.
Don't know about that.  Things have been looking up.... ;)
Figment getting your foot in the door with some widows along your route?
Actually, that has never been the problem.  Plenty of interest shown, I just was a bit too picky.
The natural follow-up question being did someone finally move in that caught your eye or did you lower your standards?
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2023, 01:29:13 PM »

Also...spouses, children, and disabled persons were in the Social Security Act from day one.
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2023, 01:43:58 PM »

Something I want to address from yesterday, about Social Security.

Traveling Dave said:

"Because politicians keep using the money for all kinds of programs and for people who have never paid into the system.  Like spouses and child benefits, disabled persons and on and on.  There WAS so much money in the program, they just couldn't help themselves."

It's not just that politicians couldn't help themselves. From day one, the Social Security Act authorized the Managing Trustee (The Secretary of the Treasury) to invest excess funds in the trusts. But it was also baked in that the only investment option available to the Trustee is a special series of Treasury securities. In other words, the only way the Trustee can earn interest for the fund is to lend the money to the federal government. He cannot put it into a bank, he cannot invest it in the stock market, he cannot do anything with the excess except lend it to the federal government.

Of course, the Treasury Secretary is a cabinet appointee, so he's quite happy to do this to support the agenda of the president who appointed him, so when the administration presents or supports legislation that requires funding, one source of funds is the money from the sale of those special Treasury securities to the SS trust funds.

The administration is forbidden by the act from counting the trust funds as part of its budget, but that obviously doesn't stop the administration from using it, nor prevent Congress from instructing the administration to utilize it. And there's another common misconception - people accuse Congress of "pillaging" the funds, but the Congress can't actually do it, they can only recommend to or instruct the administration to do it.

So, it wasn't just opportunism by politicians saying, "Oh look, here's a pot of money we can dip into!" It was designed into the Social Security Act from day 1 that excess from the trust funds would be loaned to the government - and ONLY the government.

The government COULD, conceivably, theoretically, borrow the money and invest it for return. But that doesn't get anyone votes. So pigs will fly before that happens.
Interesting factoid. Gracias.
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #51 on: March 14, 2023, 01:45:20 PM »

Nice day for pi.
Or steak, if you're an Urban Dictionary fan. :D
I'll go with that one.  Gave up pie for lent.
You have a better chance with pi. :D

Morning, APNewsDave.
Don't know about that.  Things have been looking up.... ;)
Figment getting your foot in the door with some widows along your route?
Why does she have to be a widow?
Well, as a matter of fact...   ???   :-X
Well look at you... Dean?
Not by a long shot.
No hot tubs,
No redheads,
No multiples
No mother-daughter tag teams
...
New chest tattoo??

Edit: a big tiger paw, perhaps??
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #52 on: March 14, 2023, 02:10:40 PM »

Today is Flip's birthday, RIP buddy.
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2023, 02:13:05 PM »

Today is Flip's birthday, RIP buddy.
I'd say celebrate him the way he'd want, but then we'd all have to smoke Gurkhas.
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2023, 02:13:13 PM »

Nice day for pi.
Or steak, if you're an Urban Dictionary fan. :D
I'll go with that one.  Gave up pie for lent.
You have a better chance with pi. :D

Morning, APNewsDave.
Don't know about that.  Things have been looking up.... ;)
Figment getting your foot in the door with some widows along your route?
Actually, that has never been the problem.  Plenty of interest shown, I just was a bit too picky.
The natural follow-up question being did someone finally move in that caught your eye or did you lower your standards?
I don't lower my standards!
Actually she moved in about a year and a half ago and did catch my eye.  Just took me a while to get around to asking her out.  Really out of practice.
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2023, 02:13:48 PM »

Today is Flip's birthday, RIP buddy.
I'd say celebrate him the way he'd want, but then we'd all have to smoke Gurkhas.
And sing karaoke.
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2023, 02:15:08 PM »

Today is Flip's birthday, RIP buddy.
Indeed. He is certainly missed.
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2023, 02:16:18 PM »

Nice day for pi.
Or steak, if you're an Urban Dictionary fan. :D
I'll go with that one.  Gave up pie for lent.
You have a better chance with pi. :D

Morning, APNewsDave.
Don't know about that.  Things have been looking up.... ;)
Figment getting your foot in the door with some widows along your route?
Actually, that has never been the problem.  Plenty of interest shown, I just was a bit too picky.
The natural follow-up question being did someone finally move in that caught your eye or did you lower your standards?
I don't lower my standards!
Actually she moved in about a year and a half ago and did catch my eye.  Just took me a while to get around to asking her out.  Really out of practice.
Is she a Clemson alum?
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2023, 02:21:39 PM »

Nice day for pi.
Or steak, if you're an Urban Dictionary fan. :D
I'll go with that one.  Gave up pie for lent.
You have a better chance with pi. :D

Morning, APNewsDave.
Don't know about that.  Things have been looking up.... ;)
Figment getting your foot in the door with some widows along your route?
Actually, that has never been the problem.  Plenty of interest shown, I just was a bit too picky.
The natural follow-up question being did someone finally move in that caught your eye or did you lower your standards?
I don't lower my standards!
Actually she moved in about a year and a half ago and did catch my eye.  Just took me a while to get around to asking her out.  Really out of practice.
Understandable. At this point, I wouldn't even know where to begin.
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Re: 3/14/2023
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2023, 02:21:47 PM »

Hazzuh!
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