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I'd love to see a whole new society develop on Joe Cigar without any outside influence.  As we lurk creepily, of course.

[Travellin Dave]

Dang, 18 comes quick over here, and never on the CI banter. Good morning, lawn has been mowed and sprayed. Could be cigar time.

What is this banter is speak about? I'm afraid I have forgotten it.

id like to do a CI post free Wednesday. It would be interesting to see no posts on that banter, but Chip will fill two pages by himself.

Yeah, I don't get why he's posting to nobody over there...

Tradition and obligation.

I have no loyalties, haha.  For years we bitched and moaned and longed for something better, and we got it.

Yea, that and Littlefish putting his foot up Antnee's ass...

[BackyardSmoker]

Dang, 18 comes quick over here, and never on the CI banter. Good morning, lawn has been mowed and sprayed. Could be cigar time.

What is this banter is speak about? I'm afraid I have forgotten it.

id like to do a CI post free Wednesday. It would be interesting to see no posts on that banter, but Chip will fill two pages by himself.

Yeah, I don't get why he's posting to nobody over there...

Tradition and obligation.

I have no loyalties, haha.  For years we bitched and moaned and longed for something better, and we got it.

Yeah, I just really can't believe it came from Tony, no offense, go fuck Tony

No. You fuck Tony.

[razgueado]

look, the sun came out. sweet. I can add to my tan.

Your avi needs a touch up herself.

better?

I was talking about their tan lines.  But yes, both are lovely.

[razgueado]

Dang, 18 comes quick over here, and never on the CI banter. Good morning, lawn has been mowed and sprayed. Could be cigar time.

What is this banter is speak about? I'm afraid I have forgotten it.

id like to do a CI post free Wednesday. It would be interesting to see no posts on that banter, but Chip will fill two pages by himself.

Yeah, I don't get why he's posting to nobody over there...

Tradition and obligation.

I have no loyalties, haha.  For years we bitched and moaned and longed for something better, and we got it.

Yeah, I just really can't believe it came from Tony, no offense, go fuck Tony

No. You fuck Tony.

Ew.

[Travellin Dave]

Another school shooting, this time in OR. Sheesh. At least no deaths reported yet.

Christ, can't kids just kick the shit out of each other and be done with like I use to do in my day?

That's what I was thinking.

Whatever happened to fist fights? A couple swings, roll around in the dirt a couple minutes and end up with a black eye or a bloody lip. OVER!

Probably get in more trouble at school for that these days.  Amazed at how people are no longer allowed to resolve conflicts on their own.  Not that everything is best solved with physical confrontation - most isn't after childhood - but sometimes someone just need a good ol' fashioned ass kicking.

True. Bulling was/is always there though. Things were just handled differently back before you could get e-blasted on social media. So, now 'everybody' knows about it... in just a few keystrokes. Truth, or not.

This is a difficult age for some to balance. Meaning, finding out who you are vs. not drawing too much attention to yourself and worrying what others think.

Me... I didn't give a shit what 'those' kids thought. Not much has changed I suppose. heh.

I'm glad there are so many idiots in this world to serve as a bad example for my kids.  Social media sites had such promise and there are certainly benefits to them.  I can't completely bash them on what is essentially a social media site here!  But the good brings bad - over exposure, comparing yourself to false fronts from others, etc.  People just need to learn to separate their 'online' world with their 'real' world.  They really should not cross over much.  I can't stand seeing constant updates from people on Facebook.  I have MOST people blocked, so I just see whatever local interest groups I'm involved with since Facebook serves as more of a 'mass email' source than anything else.

IMO, with all due respect, etc.

As for me, I just worry about my own shit.  If other people want to destroy their lives, more power to them.

Bullying behavior always has the same genetic makeup - speaking physically and metaphorically.  Bullies are born to bullies, raised in bullying environments, and the phenomena perpetuates itself via nature and nurture.  The notion that a school system, whether public or private, can mitigate the behavior is ludicrous.  Notwithstanding the fact that teachers tend to be the type of people that seek reasoned responses first, teachers simply don't have the relational basis with students to modify hostile behavior.  What no one wants to admit is that a victim of bullying only has two recourses - to put distance between themselves and the antagonist - a near impossibility in most school systems - or violent physical response.  The violence doesn't have to extend to using deadly weapons, but when we teach people to be victims by telling them not to fight back and penalizing them if they defend themselves we create little kegs of dynamite that will keep trying to be peaceful until the stress of it causes them to snap and they do themselves or others in. 

My dad taught me from early childhood that to exist in society one must learn how to take a punch without crumbling, and by the same token to learn that most fistfights end after the first punch, and the winner is the one who lands that first punch.  That's how I survived having to move to nine different schools in five cities in four states before I got to high school.  In each new school someone inevitably felt the need to take the measure of me, because I was always the short, skinny, new guy.  The pattern was consistent - somebody'd push me around, I'd pop them in the eye, and usually after that we became friends, some of them are still friends to this day, over 40 years later.  My sons, who will attend only three schools to finish high school, have not often had to implement those measures - only once so far - but I taught it to them.   At the same time I taught them to come to the defense of others when needed, which requires the same skillset of knowing how to take and deliver a punch.  Like Jon Meis last week here in Seattle (look him up if you haven't heard the name).  But all but a few of my son's teachers are horrified to learn I teach my sons such a barbarian world view. Call me Infidel.

Okay, sorry to jump on the soapbox, but y'all hit close to home for me.

Yea, and you probably drink and smoke in front of them as well...scarred for life, they don't stand a chance...seek counseling now.

[razgueado]

How can I ship a bottle of booze, usps will not take it?

Don't tell them it's booze...I have shipped booze with them before, just say it's a liquid and that's it

Nailed it.  Although I'd go with UPS or FedEx for this. Don't ask, don't tell.  If for some reason they DO ask, just say it's olive oil or something.  The employee at the store doesn't actually give a shit.  If you're paranoid about the 'slushing' of the liquid, get a box of mac & cheese or something, and the rattling will cover it up.

And the recipient gets a snack AND a drink.

[LuvTooGolf]

Another school shooting, this time in OR. Sheesh. At least no deaths reported yet.

Christ, can't kids just kick the shit out of each other and be done with like I use to do in my day?

That's what I was thinking.

Whatever happened to fist fights? A couple swings, roll around in the dirt a couple minutes and end up with a black eye or a bloody lip. OVER!

Probably get in more trouble at school for that these days.  Amazed at how people are no longer allowed to resolve conflicts on their own.  Not that everything is best solved with physical confrontation - most isn't after childhood - but sometimes someone just need a good ol' fashioned ass kicking.

True. Bulling was/is always there though. Things were just handled differently back before you could get e-blasted on social media. So, now 'everybody' knows about it... in just a few keystrokes. Truth, or not.

This is a difficult age for some to balance. Meaning, finding out who you are vs. not drawing too much attention to yourself and worrying what others think.

Me... I didn't give a shit what 'those' kids thought. Not much has changed I suppose. heh.

I'm glad there are so many idiots in this world to serve as a bad example for my kids.  Social media sites had such promise and there are certainly benefits to them.  I can't completely bash them on what is essentially a social media site here!  But the good brings bad - over exposure, comparing yourself to false fronts from others, etc.  People just need to learn to separate their 'online' world with their 'real' world.  They really should not cross over much.  I can't stand seeing constant updates from people on Facebook.  I have MOST people blocked, so I just see whatever local interest groups I'm involved with since Facebook serves as more of a 'mass email' source than anything else.

IMO, with all due respect, etc.

As for me, I just worry about my own shit.  If other people want to destroy their lives, more power to them.

Bullying behavior always has the same genetic makeup - speaking physically and metaphorically.  Bullies are born to bullies, raised in bullying environments, and the phenomena perpetuates itself via nature and nurture.  The notion that a school system, whether public or private, can mitigate the behavior is ludicrous.  Notwithstanding the fact that teachers tend to be the type of people that seek reasoned responses first, teachers simply don't have the relational basis with students to modify hostile behavior.  What no one wants to admit is that a victim of bullying only has two recourses - to put distance between themselves and the antagonist - a near impossibility in most school systems - or violent physical response.  The violence doesn't have to extend to using deadly weapons, but when we teach people to be victims by telling them not to fight back and penalizing them if they defend themselves we create little kegs of dynamite that will keep trying to be peaceful until the stress of it causes them to snap and they do themselves or others in. 

My dad taught me from early childhood that to exist in society one must learn how to take a punch without crumbling, and by the same token to learn that most fistfights end after the first punch, and the winner is the one who lands that first punch.  That's how I survived having to move to nine different schools in five cities in four states before I got to high school.  In each new school someone inevitably felt the need to take the measure of me, because I was always the short, skinny, new guy.  The pattern was consistent - somebody'd push me around, I'd pop them in the eye, and usually after that we became friends, some of them are still friends to this day, over 40 years later.  My sons, who will attend only three schools to finish high school, have not often had to implement those measures - only once so far - but I taught it to them.   At the same time I taught them to come to the defense of others when needed, which requires the same skillset of knowing how to take and deliver a punch.  Like Jon Meis last week here in Seattle (look him up if you haven't heard the name).  But all but a few of my son's teachers are horrified to learn I teach my sons such a barbarian world view. Call me Infidel.

Okay, sorry to jump on the soapbox, but y'all hit close to home for me.

Yea, and you probably drink and smoke in front of them as well...scarred for life, they don't stand a chance...seek counseling now.

Now they say gunman and one other student dead. This world, I tell ya.

[BackyardSmoker]

Dang, 18 comes quick over here, and never on the CI banter. Good morning, lawn has been mowed and sprayed. Could be cigar time.

What is this banter is speak about? I'm afraid I have forgotten it.

id like to do a CI post free Wednesday. It would be interesting to see no posts on that banter, but Chip will fill two pages by himself.

Yeah, I don't get why he's posting to nobody over there...

Tradition and obligation.

I have no loyalties, haha.  For years we bitched and moaned and longed for something better, and we got it.

Yeah, I just really can't believe it came from Tony, no offense, go fuck Tony

No. You fuck Tony.

Ew.

I thought he forgot the "yourself" in the previous, but Scott can be tricky that way.

[Travellin Dave]

How can I ship a bottle of booze, usps will not take it?

Don't tell them it's booze...I have shipped booze with them before, just say it's a liquid and that's it

Nailed it.  Although I'd go with UPS or FedEx for this. Don't ask, don't tell.  If for some reason they DO ask, just say it's olive oil or something.  The employee at the store doesn't actually give a shit.  If you're paranoid about the 'slushing' of the liquid, get a box of mac & cheese or something, and the rattling will cover it up.

What about packing it in coffee beans...wait, that's something else...

[BackyardSmoker]

Bullying behavior always has the same genetic makeup - speaking physically and metaphorically.  Bullies are born to bullies, raised in bullying environments, and the phenomena perpetuates itself via nature and nurture.  The notion that a school system, whether public or private, can mitigate the behavior is ludicrous.  Notwithstanding the fact that teachers tend to be the type of people that seek reasoned responses first, teachers simply don't have the relational basis with students to modify hostile behavior.  What no one wants to admit is that a victim of bullying only has two recourses - to put distance between themselves and the antagonist - a near impossibility in most school systems - or violent physical response.  The violence doesn't have to extend to using deadly weapons, but when we teach people to be victims by telling them not to fight back and penalizing them if they defend themselves we create little kegs of dynamite that will keep trying to be peaceful until the stress of it causes them to snap and they do themselves or others in. 

My dad taught me from early childhood that to exist in society one must learn how to take a punch without crumbling, and by the same token to learn that most fistfights end after the first punch, and the winner is the one who lands that first punch.  That's how I survived having to move to nine different schools in five cities in four states before I got to high school.  In each new school someone inevitably felt the need to take the measure of me, because I was always the short, skinny, new guy.  The pattern was consistent - somebody'd push me around, I'd pop them in the eye, and usually after that we became friends, some of them are still friends to this day, over 40 years later.  My sons, who will attend only three schools to finish high school, have not often had to implement those measures - only once so far - but I taught it to them.   At the same time I taught them to come to the defense of others when needed, which requires the same skillset of knowing how to take and deliver a punch.  Like Jon Meis last week here in Seattle (look him up if you haven't heard the name).  But all but a few of my son's teachers are horrified to learn I teach my sons such a barbarian world view. Call me Infidel.

Okay, sorry to jump on the soapbox, but y'all hit close to home for me.

Sheesh, Bret. Write a paper on it why don't ya. jk Good points, and good afternoon.

[jswaykos]

Bullying behavior always has the same genetic makeup - speaking physically and metaphorically.  Bullies are born to bullies, raised in bullying environments, and the phenomena perpetuates itself via nature and nurture.  The notion that a school system, whether public or private, can mitigate the behavior is ludicrous.  Notwithstanding the fact that teachers tend to be the type of people that seek reasoned responses first, teachers simply don't have the relational basis with students to modify hostile behavior.  What no one wants to admit is that a victim of bullying only has two recourses - to put distance between themselves and the antagonist - a near impossibility in most school systems - or violent physical response.  The violence doesn't have to extend to using deadly weapons, but when we teach people to be victims by telling them not to fight back and penalizing them if they defend themselves we create little kegs of dynamite that will keep trying to be peaceful until the stress of it causes them to snap and they do themselves or others in. 

My dad taught me from early childhood that to exist in society one must learn how to take a punch without crumbling, and by the same token to learn that most fistfights end after the first punch, and the winner is the one who lands that first punch.  That's how I survived having to move to nine different schools in five cities in four states before I got to high school.  In each new school someone inevitably felt the need to take the measure of me, because I was always the short, skinny, new guy.  The pattern was consistent - somebody'd push me around, I'd pop them in the eye, and usually after that we became friends, some of them are still friends to this day, over 40 years later.  My sons, who will attend only three schools to finish high school, have not often had to implement those measures - only once so far - but I taught it to them.   At the same time I taught them to come to the defense of others when needed, which requires the same skillset of knowing how to take and deliver a punch.  Like Jon Meis last week here in Seattle (look him up if you haven't heard the name).  But all but a few of my son's teachers are horrified to learn I teach my sons such a barbarian world view. Call me Infidel.

Okay, sorry to jump on the soapbox, but y'all hit close to home for me.

Sheesh, Bret. Write a paper on it why don't ya. jk Good points, and good afternoon.

Pretty sure that's just from a movie.

[dwgbryant]

okay, I have a single Legado de Pepin toro yelling at me saying "smoke me". no sense not listening.

[LuvTooGolf]

Bullying behavior always has the same genetic makeup - speaking physically and metaphorically.  Bullies are born to bullies, raised in bullying environments, and the phenomena perpetuates itself via nature and nurture.  The notion that a school system, whether public or private, can mitigate the behavior is ludicrous.  Notwithstanding the fact that teachers tend to be the type of people that seek reasoned responses first, teachers simply don't have the relational basis with students to modify hostile behavior.  What no one wants to admit is that a victim of bullying only has two recourses - to put distance between themselves and the antagonist - a near impossibility in most school systems - or violent physical response.  The violence doesn't have to extend to using deadly weapons, but when we teach people to be victims by telling them not to fight back and penalizing them if they defend themselves we create little kegs of dynamite that will keep trying to be peaceful until the stress of it causes them to snap and they do themselves or others in. 

My dad taught me from early childhood that to exist in society one must learn how to take a punch without crumbling, and by the same token to learn that most fistfights end after the first punch, and the winner is the one who lands that first punch.  That's how I survived having to move to nine different schools in five cities in four states before I got to high school.  In each new school someone inevitably felt the need to take the measure of me, because I was always the short, skinny, new guy.  The pattern was consistent - somebody'd push me around, I'd pop them in the eye, and usually after that we became friends, some of them are still friends to this day, over 40 years later.  My sons, who will attend only three schools to finish high school, have not often had to implement those measures - only once so far - but I taught it to them.   At the same time I taught them to come to the defense of others when needed, which requires the same skillset of knowing how to take and deliver a punch.  Like Jon Meis last week here in Seattle (look him up if you haven't heard the name).  But all but a few of my son's teachers are horrified to learn I teach my sons such a barbarian world view. Call me Infidel.

Okay, sorry to jump on the soapbox, but y'all hit close to home for me.

Sheesh, Bret. Write a paper on it why don't ya. jk Good points, and good afternoon.

Pretty sure that's just from a movie.

When Harry Met Sally, right?

[razgueado]

Yea, and you probably drink and smoke in front of them as well...scarred for life, they don't stand a chance...seek counseling now.

Yeah, I'm a real hardass.  I let them shoot my guns, and have swordfights with real swords.  And I make them endure cold, wet weekends on mountain trails and sailboats, and do chores, and earn their own money.  And if their grades drop below A's and B's they have to endure long, loud lectures from me and do physical labor.  And if they sass their mama they get a quick demonstration that dad studied various martial arts. I'm a hardass.

Funny though, everybody tells me I have terrific sons.  Polite, they say.  Generous.  Humble.  Take the initiative.  Smart.  Look out for others.  So they're surviving despite my manifold incompetence.