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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2020, 11:08:09 AM »

Morning GolfinRick, RecluseDave, HappyAtHomeTony and AllGreenBean.
Good morning Clemson Dave and Mr Raz
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2020, 11:10:53 AM »

Let us begin week 18 of quarantine life.
Sounds like you need to get out? I had to chuckle I was at the stores over the weekend and anything recreational is completely Gone!
I'm pretty much only going out for essentials right now, though, we did venture out yesterday to get some shave ice. Went there because my youngest saw they were offering Harry Potter stuff, so I needed a butterbeer slush. But our county has had a spike in cases, so we're at a stage where masks are mandatory now if you're going somewhere, so not much going out for fun here.
I'm pretty much doing the same thing. Only going out for essentials but I'm staying active. Only golfed 3 times. Biking, dog walks, etc. I can see it now schools are trying to reopen. It's a cluster F.
Haven't golfed yet, and honestly, I don't really expect to this year. Though, have been going on walks with the kids, so trying to stay at least a little active.

And yes, the thought of them trying to open schools now is laughable at best. This thing had just started, and everyone made the right call to go remote for the rest of the year. Now, the number of cases in the country is many, many times what it was, and people are like, fuck it, I need the kids out of the house. There's just no good way to open schools, and anyone who tries is going to see a surge in cases. Maybe when teachers and kids start dying, people will get their heads out of their asses? We'll see, but somehow, I doubt it.
In Western NY we have a lot of private schools. Their future depends on reopening. They don't get all the funding from the state and many may close for good. Their operating budgets are based upon enrollment. Tough line to walk.
I suppose, if you consider choosing between keeping a school open or putting hundreds of kids and teachers lives at risk a tough line to walk.
Please don't take this the wrong way but you may have a different opinion on things if you were not able to work from home. I know way too many people out of work.
Oh absolutely, I'm lucky enough to be home, and I realize many people don't have the same ability. There's no one good solution here, but I do know that sending back the human petri dishes we call kids to an enclosed environment in the middle of an escalating pandemic is a bad solution.
I'm torn on this one too. I don't believe this should be a partisan issue. I know I'm extremely lucky to be able to work from home although I'm miserable doing it. Wish I can say I had it all figured out. Our school district sent out a survey asking what we should do in September. Not sure how I'm answering it.
Yea, but you were miserable working from the office as well.   ;)   ;D
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2020, 11:12:02 AM »

Morning GolfinRick, RecluseDave, HappyAtHomeTony and AllGreenBean.
Good morning Clemson Dave and Mr Raz
Mornin', Rick.
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2020, 11:14:52 AM »

that post letdown after returning from a wonderful vacation has set in.
I'm glad it was wonderful. Last post I saw from you was I need to quit smoking and thought you might not get much support here.
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2020, 11:19:14 AM »

Let us begin week 18 of quarantine life.
Sounds like you need to get out? I had to chuckle I was at the stores over the weekend and anything recreational is completely Gone!
I'm pretty much only going out for essentials right now, though, we did venture out yesterday to get some shave ice. Went there because my youngest saw they were offering Harry Potter stuff, so I needed a butterbeer slush. But our county has had a spike in cases, so we're at a stage where masks are mandatory now if you're going somewhere, so not much going out for fun here.
I'm pretty much doing the same thing. Only going out for essentials but I'm staying active. Only golfed 3 times. Biking, dog walks, etc. I can see it now schools are trying to reopen. It's a cluster F.
Haven't golfed yet, and honestly, I don't really expect to this year. Though, have been going on walks with the kids, so trying to stay at least a little active.

And yes, the thought of them trying to open schools now is laughable at best. This thing had just started, and everyone made the right call to go remote for the rest of the year. Now, the number of cases in the country is many, many times what it was, and people are like, fuck it, I need the kids out of the house. There's just no good way to open schools, and anyone who tries is going to see a surge in cases. Maybe when teachers and kids start dying, people will get their heads out of their asses? We'll see, but somehow, I doubt it.
Well, yeah, but...let's do keep in perspective that the mortality rate on this thing is extremely low, especially among those under the age of 60.  So it won't be like the bodies start piling up.  The more immediate crisis will be when it sweeps through a school and there aren't enough teachers available.  That will shut things down real quick. 

But there are no good options here.  Just like the economy, you can't keep the schools shut down until this thing is eradicated.  That's a fast track to a lot of really unpleasant and dangerous scenarios that are a lot likelier than people think.  American myopia has romanticized the Great Depression, glossing how over how many people it killed and the fact that it was a major contributor to WWII.

It's all a fustercluck.
The mortality rate may be low under 60, but the mortality median age IS trending downwards as things open up and people neglect to take simple precautions. Also, I feel that would be a little comfort to the parents whose kids wind up as one of those "low mortality rate" statistics.

The immediate concern upon schools opening up would not necessarily be the kids, but the parents, grandparents and great-grandparents the kids are exposed to, and who are now exposed to the virus. Not to mention any of those people who come in contact with the parents, grandparents and great-grandparents in stores and whatnot. Especially since people are so against wearing masks because "it violates my rights waaaaaah" or some other such dumbassery.

And for the record, I'm not in the "shut everything the fuck down" camp, because that is not reasonable for any economy. What IS reasonable is taking precautions while you're out, and limiting going out if you can. Unfortunately, this isn't happening here right now, which is why we're setting records for new cases on a daily basis. And don't give me the "but we're testing more" argument, because the percentage of positive tests is also rising, which blows that theory to shreds.
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2020, 11:21:29 AM »

Perhaps this should be the year we stop focusing on curriculum and start focusing on things kids will need. Instead of the 4 factors that started WW1, the powerhouse of the cell and algebra, we teach them about how compound interest works, the true cost of carrying debt and how to create and stick to a budget. This is something I see people say every year, usually in jest. Well, maybe this is the year to experiment with it.
Well, isn't this amazing? Something about public policy that you and I agree on. The public school system is decades overdue to be transformed from a factory for assembly-line drones into a means of preparing people to live in a finance-driven information economy.

We'll have to overcome a century's worth of Marxist influence, however.
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2020, 11:27:22 AM »

Let us begin week 18 of quarantine life.
Sounds like you need to get out? I had to chuckle I was at the stores over the weekend and anything recreational is completely Gone!
I'm pretty much only going out for essentials right now, though, we did venture out yesterday to get some shave ice. Went there because my youngest saw they were offering Harry Potter stuff, so I needed a butterbeer slush. But our county has had a spike in cases, so we're at a stage where masks are mandatory now if you're going somewhere, so not much going out for fun here.
I'm pretty much doing the same thing. Only going out for essentials but I'm staying active. Only golfed 3 times. Biking, dog walks, etc. I can see it now schools are trying to reopen. It's a cluster F.
Haven't golfed yet, and honestly, I don't really expect to this year. Though, have been going on walks with the kids, so trying to stay at least a little active.

And yes, the thought of them trying to open schools now is laughable at best. This thing had just started, and everyone made the right call to go remote for the rest of the year. Now, the number of cases in the country is many, many times what it was, and people are like, fuck it, I need the kids out of the house. There's just no good way to open schools, and anyone who tries is going to see a surge in cases. Maybe when teachers and kids start dying, people will get their heads out of their asses? We'll see, but somehow, I doubt it.
In Western NY we have a lot of private schools. Their future depends on reopening. They don't get all the funding from the state and many may close for good. Their operating budgets are based upon enrollment. Tough line to walk.
I suppose, if you consider choosing between keeping a school open or putting hundreds of kids and teachers lives at risk a tough line to walk.
Please don't take this the wrong way but you may have a different opinion on things if you were not able to work from home. I know way too many people out of work.
Oh absolutely, I'm lucky enough to be home, and I realize many people don't have the same ability. There's no one good solution here, but I do know that sending back the human petri dishes we call kids to an enclosed environment in the middle of an escalating pandemic is a bad solution.
Glad I don't have any skin in that game.  No good answer.  But kids would probably be more compliant in that setting over adults out and about socially.  HS would probably be least compliant and highest risk.  More so than college (except for the COVID parties... :(   ::)   >:()
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2020, 11:28:40 AM »

that post letdown after returning from a wonderful vacation has set in.
I'm glad it was wonderful. Last post I saw from you was I need to quit smoking and thought you might not get much support here.
Really, that would be one more that I have to pick up the slack for...
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2020, 11:29:00 AM »

Morning Mr. Raz.
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2020, 11:31:14 AM »

Perhaps this should be the year we stop focusing on curriculum and start focusing on things kids will need. Instead of the 4 factors that started WW1, the powerhouse of the cell and algebra, we teach them about how compound interest works, the true cost of carrying debt and how to create and stick to a budget. This is something I see people say every year, usually in jest. Well, maybe this is the year to experiment with it.
Well, isn't this amazing? Something about public policy that you and I agree on. The public school system is decades overdue to be transformed from a factory for assembly-line drones into a means of preparing people to live in a finance-driven information economy.

We'll have to overcome a century's worth of Marxist influence, however.
And the ability to assess data, weigh opinions understand statistics (for better or worse), the scientific method and research.
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2020, 11:32:27 AM »

Let us begin week 18 of quarantine life.
Sounds like you need to get out? I had to chuckle I was at the stores over the weekend and anything recreational is completely Gone!
I'm pretty much only going out for essentials right now, though, we did venture out yesterday to get some shave ice. Went there because my youngest saw they were offering Harry Potter stuff, so I needed a butterbeer slush. But our county has had a spike in cases, so we're at a stage where masks are mandatory now if you're going somewhere, so not much going out for fun here.
I'm pretty much doing the same thing. Only going out for essentials but I'm staying active. Only golfed 3 times. Biking, dog walks, etc. I can see it now schools are trying to reopen. It's a cluster F.
Haven't golfed yet, and honestly, I don't really expect to this year. Though, have been going on walks with the kids, so trying to stay at least a little active.

And yes, the thought of them trying to open schools now is laughable at best. This thing had just started, and everyone made the right call to go remote for the rest of the year. Now, the number of cases in the country is many, many times what it was, and people are like, fuck it, I need the kids out of the house. There's just no good way to open schools, and anyone who tries is going to see a surge in cases. Maybe when teachers and kids start dying, people will get their heads out of their asses? We'll see, but somehow, I doubt it.
Well, yeah, but...let's do keep in perspective that the mortality rate on this thing is extremely low, especially among those under the age of 60.  So it won't be like the bodies start piling up.  The more immediate crisis will be when it sweeps through a school and there aren't enough teachers available.  That will shut things down real quick. 

But there are no good options here.  Just like the economy, you can't keep the schools shut down until this thing is eradicated.  That's a fast track to a lot of really unpleasant and dangerous scenarios that are a lot likelier than people think.  American myopia has romanticized the Great Depression, glossing how over how many people it killed and the fact that it was a major contributor to WWII.

It's all a fustercluck.
The mortality rate may be low under 60, but the mortality median age IS trending downwards as things open up and people neglect to take simple precautions. Also, I feel that would be a little comfort to the parents whose kids wind up as one of those "low mortality rate" statistics.

The immediate concern upon schools opening up would not necessarily be the kids, but the parents, grandparents and great-grandparents the kids are exposed to, and who are now exposed to the virus. Not to mention any of those people who come in contact with the parents, grandparents and great-grandparents in stores and whatnot. Especially since people are so against wearing masks because "it violates my rights waaaaaah" or some other such dumbassery.

And for the record, I'm not in the "shut everything the fuck down" camp, because that is not reasonable for any economy. What IS reasonable is taking precautions while you're out, and limiting going out if you can. Unfortunately, this isn't happening here right now, which is why we're setting records for new cases on a daily basis. And don't give me the "but we're testing more" argument, because the percentage of positive tests is also rising, which blows that theory to shreds.
Oh, I agree that nobody wants their kid or grandma to be one of the statistics, or themselves to be one of the small percentage of those who develop the blood-clotting symptom and die of stroke. And I don't know what "we're testing more" argument" you think I'm going to postulate. I may not be on the front lines of this thing, but I'm a lot closer to it than to the rear echelon. I have for months been meeting with epidemiologists and medical professionals several times a day, and a couple of times on weekends. And I just spent most of the weekend bringing new disease-tracking systems online for the state of Washington (y'know, ground zero, as they say).  So I'm not in the "it's a hoax" camp, and I'm well aware that testing does fuck-all except get us closer to accurate infection rates.

Regardless, I agree with precautions, but as you've pointed out, keeping everything shut down is completely unworkable, and the tipping point where that will start taking a greater mortality toll than the disease itself is a lot closer than people on either side of the debate, especially the politicians, think it is.
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2020, 11:37:22 AM »

A hard reality is businesses and institutions are using this pandemic to cut their workforce. I'm considered essential and have been working throughout. I'm in a sad place today. Many of my coworkers will not be back. Grounds, Mechanics, General workers, Building Maintenance Repair. All furloughed now outsourced. I'm upset and sad. The politics behind this move are immoral. Sad sad day.
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2020, 11:39:01 AM »

Perhaps this should be the year we stop focusing on curriculum and start focusing on things kids will need. Instead of the 4 factors that started WW1, the powerhouse of the cell and algebra, we teach them about how compound interest works, the true cost of carrying debt and how to create and stick to a budget. This is something I see people say every year, usually in jest. Well, maybe this is the year to experiment with it.
Well, isn't this amazing? Something about public policy that you and I agree on. The public school system is decades overdue to be transformed from a factory for assembly-line drones into a means of preparing people to live in a finance-driven information economy.

We'll have to overcome a century's worth of Marxist influence, however.
And the ability to assess data, weigh opinions understand statistics (for better or worse), the scientific method and research.
Also should throw in one year's military service and one year (during HS or College working in a service industry....preferably food service....position.  Those liberal arts would give us a more rounded person.
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« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2020, 11:40:49 AM »

Perhaps this should be the year we stop focusing on curriculum and start focusing on things kids will need. Instead of the 4 factors that started WW1, the powerhouse of the cell and algebra, we teach them about how compound interest works, the true cost of carrying debt and how to create and stick to a budget. This is something I see people say every year, usually in jest. Well, maybe this is the year to experiment with it.
Well, isn't this amazing? Something about public policy that you and I agree on. The public school system is decades overdue to be transformed from a factory for assembly-line drones into a means of preparing people to live in a finance-driven information economy.

We'll have to overcome a century's worth of Marxist influence, however.
Well hot damn, it's a brave new world now, isn't it?
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Re: 7/13/2020
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2020, 11:42:01 AM »

Perhaps this should be the year we stop focusing on curriculum and start focusing on things kids will need. Instead of the 4 factors that started WW1, the powerhouse of the cell and algebra, we teach them about how compound interest works, the true cost of carrying debt and how to create and stick to a budget. This is something I see people say every year, usually in jest. Well, maybe this is the year to experiment with it.
Well, isn't this amazing? Something about public policy that you and I agree on. The public school system is decades overdue to be transformed from a factory for assembly-line drones into a means of preparing people to live in a finance-driven information economy.

We'll have to overcome a century's worth of Marxist influence, however.
And the ability to assess data, weigh opinions understand statistics (for better or worse), the scientific method and research.
Also should throw in one year's military service and one year (during HS or College working in a service industry....preferably food service....position.  Those liberal arts would give us a more rounded person.
Oh, everyone working in some sort of customer service position would be fantastic. That would surely give us a lot fewer assholes out there, Karen-ing it up because someone wouldn't take their month-old coupon. :D
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