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Title: 7/28/2020
Post by: CigarBanter on July 28, 2020, 12:00:24 AM
Happy Tuesday! In between insults we'll occasionally discuss cigars.  Join in and perhaps learn something along the way. Warning: don't proceed if you have thin skin but don't be afraid to post either... And welcome aboard!
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: FloridaDean on July 28, 2020, 04:41:07 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 05:31:35 AM
Drive carefully. lol OY
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 05:33:36 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Busy day ahead. Good morning Dean
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: FloridaDean on July 28, 2020, 05:34:51 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Busy day ahead. Good morning Dean
morning Rick.
busy is good I guess if it makes the day go by faster.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 05:40:56 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: FloridaDean on July 28, 2020, 06:18:12 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
... but not a happy one?
morning Dave.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 06:22:38 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
... but not a happy one?
morning Dave.
Just a regular Tuesday. Even Monday has something going for it, cause everyone can bitch it's Monday. Then you have Hump Day, Nearly Friday and Friday. Tuesday is just blah.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 06:29:47 AM
Texas is now the 4th state to go over 400k cases of the #fakerona. Congrats!
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 06:53:00 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 06:54:38 AM
Good morning, Rick, Dean, and Dave.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 07:05:58 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
My wife this weekend asked, "Is it Saturday or Sunday? It's Sunday, right?" :D
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 07:24:33 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
My wife this weekend asked, "Is it Saturday or Sunday? It's Sunday, right?" :D
My daughter asked the same exact thing. Do you think my boss would buy it if I told him I didn't realize it was a work day?
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 07:32:27 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
My wife this weekend asked, "Is it Saturday or Sunday? It's Sunday, right?" :D
My daughter asked the same exact thing. Do you think my boss would buy it if I told him I didn't realize it was a work day?
I say give it a try. It's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 08:11:27 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
My wife this weekend asked, "Is it Saturday or Sunday? It's Sunday, right?" :D
My daughter asked the same exact thing. Do you think my boss would buy it if I told him I didn't realize it was a work day?
I say give it a try. It's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.
That is my motto buying cigars.
Good morning Dean, Dave, and Tony
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 08:22:51 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
My wife this weekend asked, "Is it Saturday or Sunday? It's Sunday, right?" :D
My daughter asked the same exact thing. Do you think my boss would buy it if I told him I didn't realize it was a work day?
I say give it a try. It's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.
That is my motto buying cigars.
Good morning Dean, Dave, and Tony
Well it might be worth a shot then. My boss can't be any tougher than yours.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 08:50:40 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
My wife this weekend asked, "Is it Saturday or Sunday? It's Sunday, right?" :D
My daughter asked the same exact thing. Do you think my boss would buy it if I told him I didn't realize it was a work day?
I say give it a try. It's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.
That is my motto buying cigars.
Good morning Dean, Dave, and Tony
Well it might be worth a shot then. My boss can't be any tougher than yours.
My boss at work or home?
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 09:22:22 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
My wife this weekend asked, "Is it Saturday or Sunday? It's Sunday, right?" :D
My daughter asked the same exact thing. Do you think my boss would buy it if I told him I didn't realize it was a work day?
I say give it a try. It's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.
That is my motto buying cigars.
Good morning Dean, Dave, and Tony
Well it might be worth a shot then. My boss can't be any tougher than yours.
My boss at work or home?
You aren't worried about your boss at work, are you?
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 10:23:14 AM
Serious lullage...
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 10:24:31 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
Yea, I can see that...
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 10:28:58 AM
Morning, muchachos.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 10:34:35 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Tuesday Bueso's at the Sis.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 10:35:18 AM
Morning Dean, Rick, Dave, Tony and Mr. Raz.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 10:36:23 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Tuesday Bueso's at the Sis.
If there's one thing I'm well-stocked on besides tp, it's Buesos. ;)
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 10:36:50 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Tuesday Bueso's at the Sis.
If there's one thing I'm well-stocked on besides tp, it's Buesos. ;)
Still a good price, though.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 10:37:02 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
My wife this weekend asked, "Is it Saturday or Sunday? It's Sunday, right?" :D
My daughter asked the same exact thing. Do you think my boss would buy it if I told him I didn't realize it was a work day?
I say give it a try. It's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.
That is my motto buying cigars.
Good morning Dean, Dave, and Tony
Well it might be worth a shot then. My boss can't be any tougher than yours.
My boss at work or home?
I ain't wading into them waters.... :o
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 10:37:08 AM
Morning Dean, Rick, Dave, Tony and Mr. Raz.
Morning, TD.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 10:37:54 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Tuesday Bueso's at the Sis.
If there's one thing I'm well-stocked on besides tp, it's Buesos. ;)
Kind of in the same category, right?


....not really....
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 10:42:59 AM
Today is Tuesday, July 28, the 210th day of 2020. There are 156 days left in the year.


Today’s Highlight in History:
On July 28, 1945, the U.S. Senate ratified the United Nations Charter by a vote of 89-2.

On this date:
In 1794, Maximilien Robespierre, a leading figure of the French Revolution, was sent to the guillotine.
In 1914, World War I began as Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia.

In 1929, Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis was born in Southampton, N.Y.
In 1932, federal troops forcibly dispersed the so-called “Bonus Army” of World War I veterans who had gathered in Washington to demand payments they weren’t scheduled to receive until 1945.

In 1943, President Franklin D. Roosevelt announced the end of coffee rationing, which had limited people to one pound of coffee every five weeks since it began in Nov. 1942.
In 1945, a U.S. Army bomber crashed into the 79th floor of New York’s Empire State Building, killing 14 people.
In 1959, in preparation for statehood, Hawaiians voted to send the first Chinese-American, Republican Hiram L. Fong, to the U.S. Senate and the first Japanese-American, Democrat Daniel K. Inouye, to the U.S. House of Representatives.

In 1976, an earthquake devastated northern China, killing at least 242,000 people, according to an official estimate.
In 1984, the Los Angeles Summer Olympics opened.
In 1989, Israeli commandos abducted a pro-Iranian Shiite (SHEE’-eyet) Muslim cleric, Sheik Abdul-Karim Obeid (AHB’-dool kah-REEM’ oh-BAYD’), from his home in south Lebanon. (He was released in January 2004 as part of a prisoner swap.)

In 2016, Hillary Clinton accepted the Democratic presidential nomination at the party’s convention in Philadelphia, where she cast herself as a unifier for divided times as well as an experienced leader steeled for a volatile world while aggressively challenging Republican Donald Trump’s ability to lead.
In 2017, the Senate voted 51-49 to reject Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s last-ditch effort to dismantle President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul with a trimmed-down bill. John McCain, who was about to begin treatments for a brain tumor, joined two other GOP senators in voting against the repeal effort.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 10:43:59 AM
Ten years ago: U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put most of Arizona’s toughest-in-the-nation immigration law on hold just hours before it was to take effect. (In September 2012, Bolton ruled that police could enforce the so-called “show me your papers” provision of the law.) Airblue Flight 202, a Pakistani Airbus A321, crashed into the hills overlooking Islamabad, killing all 152 people aboard.


Five years ago: President Barack Obama wrapped up his trip to Kenya and Ethiopia in Addis Ababa, where he urged African leaders to leave office peacefully after their terms expired. It was announced that Jonathan Pollard, the former U.S. Naval intelligence analyst who had spent nearly three decades in prison for spying for Israel, had been granted parole. In a case that outraged animal lovers, Zimbabwean police said they were searching for an American who had shot and killed a well-known, protected lion known as Cecil during a bow hunt; Walter Palmer, a Minnesota dentist, issued a statement saying he thought everything about his trip was legal. (Officials in Zimbabwe later said Palmer had not broken the country’s hunting laws.) Tom Brady’s four-game suspension for his role in using underinflated footballs during the AFC championship game was upheld by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.


One year ago: A gunman opened fire at a popular garlic festival in Gilroy, California, killing three people, including a six-year-old boy and a 13-year-old girl, and wounding 17 others before taking his own life. President Donald Trump announced that Dan Coats would be resigning from his post as director of national intelligence, after a turbulent two years in which he and Trump were often at odds over Russian interference in the 2016 election. (Trump named John Ratcliffe to succeed Coats, but the Texas Republican congressman withdrew after five days of growing questions about his experience and qualifications.) Egan Bernal, a 22-year-old from Colombia, became South America’s first winner of cycling’s Tour de France.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 10:46:18 AM
Today’s Birthdays:

Actor Darryl Hickman is 89.
Ballet dancer-choreographer Jacques d’Amboise is 86.
Musical conductor Riccardo Muti is 79.
Former Senator and NBA Hall of Famer Bill Bradley is 77.
“Garfield” creator Jim Davis is 75.
Singer Jonathan Edwards is 74. Actress Linda Kelsey is 74.
TV producer Dick Ebersol is 73.
Actress Sally Struthers is 73.
Rock musician Simon Kirke (Bad Company) is 71.
Rock musician Steve Morse (Deep Purple) is 66.
Former CBS anchorman Scott Pelley is 63.
Alt-country-rock musician Marc Perlman is 59.
Actor Michael Hayden is 57.
Actress Lori Loughlin is 56.
Jazz musician-producer Delfeayo Marsalis is 55.
Former hockey player Garth Snow is 51.
Actress Elizabeth Berkley is 48.
Singer Afroman is 46.
Country musician Todd Anderson (Heartland) is 45.
Rock singer Jacoby Shaddix (Papa Roach) is 44.
Country singer Carly Goodwin is 39.
Actor John David Washington is 36.
Actor Jon Michael Hill is 35.
Actor Dustin Milligan is 35.
Actor Nolan Gerard Funk is 34.
Rapper Soulja Boy is 30.
Pop/rock singer Cher Lloyd (TV: “The X Factor”) is 27.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 10:49:19 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Tuesday Bueso's at the Sis.
If there's one thing I'm well-stocked on besides tp, it's Buesos. ;)
Kind of in the same category, right?


....not really....
Oof.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 10:50:13 AM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 11:03:02 AM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: FloridaDean on July 28, 2020, 11:23:03 AM
sad indeed.

Remington Arms declares bankruptcy despite surging gun demand.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/remington-arms-bankruptcy-surging-gun-demand?cmpid=FNC_app
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: FloridaDean on July 28, 2020, 11:24:03 AM
morning Tony, Dave, and Brett.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 11:32:57 AM
sad indeed.

Remington Arms declares bankruptcy despite surging gun demand.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/remington-arms-bankruptcy-surging-gun-demand?cmpid=FNC_app
Been an ongoing thing for years.  They're having to fight a bullshit class-action lawsuit, but also they're owned by a private equity firm and PEs are notoriously awful at running firearms companies.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: FloridaDean on July 28, 2020, 11:33:58 AM
sad indeed.

Remington Arms declares bankruptcy despite surging gun demand.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/remington-arms-bankruptcy-surging-gun-demand?cmpid=FNC_app
Been an ongoing thing for years.  They're having to fight a bullshit class-action lawsuit, but also they're owned by a private equity firm and PEs are notoriously awful at running firearms companies.
sounds like the same thing that happened to the Ithaca Gun Company.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 11:36:50 AM
Morning, muchachos.
Good morning, Raz.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
Morning Dean, Rick, Dave, Tony and Mr. Raz.
Howdy, Dave.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 11:41:52 AM
morning Tony, Dave, and Brett.
Morning, Deano.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 11:46:37 AM
sad indeed.

Remington Arms declares bankruptcy despite surging gun demand.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/remington-arms-bankruptcy-surging-gun-demand?cmpid=FNC_app
Been an ongoing thing for years.  They're having to fight a bullshit class-action lawsuit, but also they're owned by a private equity firm and PEs are notoriously awful at running firearms companies.
sounds like the same thing that happened to the Ithaca Gun Company.
And Colt.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 11:53:16 AM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 11:53:17 AM
Happy Tuesday.
Well, it's definitely Tuesday, I'll give you that.
Is it?!? I could have sworn it was still Monday.
My wife this weekend asked, "Is it Saturday or Sunday? It's Sunday, right?" :D
My daughter asked the same exact thing. Do you think my boss would buy it if I told him I didn't realize it was a work day?
I say give it a try. It's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.
That is my motto buying cigars.
Good morning Dean, Dave, and Tony
Well it might be worth a shot then. My boss can't be any tougher than yours.
My boss at work or home?
You aren't worried about your boss at work, are you?
He would have no one to lean on. My skills are in high demand. I'm more worried about my boss at home
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 11:54:56 AM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 11:58:43 AM
sad indeed.

Remington Arms declares bankruptcy despite surging gun demand.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/remington-arms-bankruptcy-surging-gun-demand?cmpid=FNC_app
Just a little hard to understand.  Must be something wrong with the business model....
The lawsuit isn't even happening yet, and insurance will help buffer that when it does.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 12:01:42 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
What a crew!
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: FloridaDean on July 28, 2020, 12:03:55 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
holy crap. I was in much better shape back then.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 12:05:09 PM
sad indeed.

Remington Arms declares bankruptcy despite surging gun demand.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/remington-arms-bankruptcy-surging-gun-demand?cmpid=FNC_app
Just a little hard to understand.  Must be something wrong with the business model....
The lawsuit isn't even happening yet, and insurance will help buffer that when it does.
As per Bloomberg, it's primarily due to decreased gun sales.
Need a Democrat back in office to put the fear of gun control to spur sales.  Obama was great for the gun industry!

https://www.bing.com/search?q=remington&cvid=b6b38bd03c814317b60a235b04acf263&pglt=299&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=DCTS
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 12:06:00 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
holy crap. I was in much better shape back then.
Also 8 years younger.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: FloridaDean on July 28, 2020, 12:13:50 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
holy crap. I was in much better shape back then.
Also 8 years younger.
that was a great weekend.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 12:20:11 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
No, but if you're that curious, I can give him your email.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 12:21:36 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
Dean I obviously recognize. But somebody put names to the other faces.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 12:51:30 PM


sad indeed.

Remington Arms declares bankruptcy despite surging gun demand.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/remington-arms-bankruptcy-surging-gun-demand?cmpid=FNC_app
Just a little hard to understand.  Must be something wrong with the business model....
The lawsuit isn't even happening yet, and insurance will help buffer that when it does.

There are almost certainly management and business model issues. Remington is considered rather stodgy, and not on the cutting edge. But the lawsuit hangs over that, as they are shying away from the kinds of promotion that other firms are doing because that is what the lawsuit is focused on.

Regardless, their big problem is managing debt. They've been trying to expand by acquiring, and doing that with debt, but they haven't figured out how to increase sales to cover the debt. So they are sensitive to market swings. That's where their stodginess hurts them. Their acquisition of Bushmaster is a classic example. Bushmaster was a huge brand in the early 2000s, because Colt had mostly dropped out of the civilian AR-15 marketplace. So Remington bought Bushmaster, then moved manufacturing to New York, mostly laying everyone off at the original manufacturing facility. It was smart business, right? Not really. They misread how firearms owners and enthusiasts think. There were some quality control hiccups, and meanwhile the AR market saturated with makers aggressively moving sexier designs, and there was a huge influx of manufacturers moving custom parts, and then the founder of Bushmaster turned around after his non-compete clause expired and restarted manufacture at the old factory with his old crew under the name Windham. The Bushmaster brand is now considered third-rate to brands like Noveske, Sig, Aero Precision, and others. And Colt and HK still have a lock on the military contracts.

And none of this is surprising because private equity firms mostly understand money, not marketing.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 01:03:32 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
Dean I obviously recognize. But somebody put names to the other faces.
WhoTheHellIsButch, Dean, Rick, Greg Fish, L to R.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 01:05:27 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
Dean I obviously recognize. But somebody put names to the other faces.
WhoTheHellIsButch, Dean, Rick, Greg Fish, L to R.
Well, I'd have guessed Rick right. Yea, me. ;-)
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 01:33:16 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
Dean I obviously recognize. But somebody put names to the other faces.
WhoTheHellIsButch, Dean, Rick, Greg Fish, L to R.
Well, I'd have guessed Rick right. Yea, me. ;-)
Not Dean?
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 01:35:15 PM


sad indeed.

Remington Arms declares bankruptcy despite surging gun demand.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/remington-arms-bankruptcy-surging-gun-demand?cmpid=FNC_app
Just a little hard to understand.  Must be something wrong with the business model....
The lawsuit isn't even happening yet, and insurance will help buffer that when it does.

There are almost certainly management and business model issues. Remington is considered rather stodgy, and not on the cutting edge. But the lawsuit hangs over that, as they are shying away from the kinds of promotion that other firms are doing because that is what the lawsuit is focused on.

Regardless, their big problem is managing debt. They've been trying to expand by acquiring, and doing that with debt, but they haven't figured out how to increase sales to cover the debt. So they are sensitive to market swings. That's where their stodginess hurts them. Their acquisition of Bushmaster is a classic example. Bushmaster was a huge brand in the early 2000s, because Colt had mostly dropped out of the civilian AR-15 marketplace. So Remington bought Bushmaster, then moved manufacturing to New York, mostly laying everyone off at the original manufacturing facility. It was smart business, right? Not really. They misread how firearms owners and enthusiasts think. There were some quality control hiccups, and meanwhile the AR market saturated with makers aggressively moving sexier designs, and there was a huge influx of manufacturers moving custom parts, and then the founder of Bushmaster turned around after his non-compete clause expired and restarted manufacture at the old factory with his old crew under the name Windham. The Bushmaster brand is now considered third-rate to brands like Noveske, Sig, Aero Precision, and others. And Colt and HK still have a lock on the military contracts.

And none of this is surprising because private equity firms mostly understand money, not marketing.
Even they should figure out how to restructure debt with the current near 0% interest rate....  Probably better off selling off their better lines.  Others could probably do well with them.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 01:37:04 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
No, but if you're that curious, I can give him your email.
I'm good....got my own framed and decorating the bathroom wall.   ;)   ;D
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 01:41:12 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
Dean I obviously recognize. But somebody put names to the other faces.
WhoTheHellIsButch, Dean, Rick, Greg Fish, L to R.
Well, I'd have guessed Rick right. Yea, me. ;-)
Not Dean?
Dean I knew.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 01:42:27 PM


sad indeed.

Remington Arms declares bankruptcy despite surging gun demand.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/remington-arms-bankruptcy-surging-gun-demand?cmpid=FNC_app
Just a little hard to understand.  Must be something wrong with the business model....
The lawsuit isn't even happening yet, and insurance will help buffer that when it does.

There are almost certainly management and business model issues. Remington is considered rather stodgy, and not on the cutting edge. But the lawsuit hangs over that, as they are shying away from the kinds of promotion that other firms are doing because that is what the lawsuit is focused on.

Regardless, their big problem is managing debt. They've been trying to expand by acquiring, and doing that with debt, but they haven't figured out how to increase sales to cover the debt. So they are sensitive to market swings. That's where their stodginess hurts them. Their acquisition of Bushmaster is a classic example. Bushmaster was a huge brand in the early 2000s, because Colt had mostly dropped out of the civilian AR-15 marketplace. So Remington bought Bushmaster, then moved manufacturing to New York, mostly laying everyone off at the original manufacturing facility. It was smart business, right? Not really. They misread how firearms owners and enthusiasts think. There were some quality control hiccups, and meanwhile the AR market saturated with makers aggressively moving sexier designs, and there was a huge influx of manufacturers moving custom parts, and then the founder of Bushmaster turned around after his non-compete clause expired and restarted manufacture at the old factory with his old crew under the name Windham. The Bushmaster brand is now considered third-rate to brands like Noveske, Sig, Aero Precision, and others. And Colt and HK still have a lock on the military contracts.

And none of this is surprising because private equity firms mostly understand money, not marketing.
Even they should figure out how to restructure debt with the current near 0% interest rate....  Probably better off selling off their better lines.  Others could probably do well with them.
I expect restructuring is what this round of Chapter 11 is about.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 01:42:38 PM
20 Flores y Rodgriguez in various sizes for about $50.  Not bad offering at the Page.

https://www.cigarpage.com/torpedo-mazo-liquidation.html?utm_campaign=CP-K1-20200728Tu2-bonus-FyR-Cabinet-Seleccion-Unicos%20%28TnSLPZ%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJkZ3J5ZmZ1ZGRAZ21haWwuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiTXdFeEhQIn0%3D

Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 01:43:12 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
No, but if you're that curious, I can give him your email.
I'm good....got my own framed and decorating the bathroom wall.   ;)   ;D
A motivational poster for your bunghole.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 01:51:00 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
No, but if you're that curious, I can give him your email.
I'm good....got my own framed and decorating the bathroom wall.   ;)   ;D
A motivational poster for your bunghole.
And clean as a whistle!
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 01:51:14 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
Speaking of 5x7. Thanks to LTG for finding some old pics(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/4c8c8f173135c5fae6a727f762362a4e.jpg)
holy crap. I was in much better shape back then.
Also 8 years younger.
that was a great weekend.
Yeah we sure had fun!
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
No, but if you're that curious, I can give him your email.
I'm good....got my own framed and decorating the bathroom wall.   ;)   ;D
A motivational poster for your bunghole.
And clean as a whistle!
We promise to take your word for it.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 01:52:34 PM
20 Flores y Rodgriguez in various sizes for about $50.  Not bad offering at the Page.

https://www.cigarpage.com/torpedo-mazo-liquidation.html?utm_campaign=CP-K1-20200728Tu2-bonus-FyR-Cabinet-Seleccion-Unicos%20%28TnSLPZ%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJkZ3J5ZmZ1ZGRAZ21haWwuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiTXdFeEhQIn0%3D
And some nice deals on the fiver fiesta offerings as well including great pricing on San Cristobal, Four Kicks, AJF and some others .  Also a lot of Lars Tetens and Caldwell offerings available.   :-X

https://www.cigarpage.com/torpedo-mazo-liquidation.html?utm_campaign=CP-K1-20200728Tu2-bonus-FyR-Cabinet-Seleccion-Unicos%20%28TnSLPZ%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJkZ3J5ZmZ1ZGRAZ21haWwuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiTXdFeEhQIn0%3D
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 01:53:12 PM
20 Flores y Rodgriguez in various sizes for about $50.  Not bad offering at the Page.

https://www.cigarpage.com/torpedo-mazo-liquidation.html?utm_campaign=CP-K1-20200728Tu2-bonus-FyR-Cabinet-Seleccion-Unicos%20%28TnSLPZ%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJkZ3J5ZmZ1ZGRAZ21haWwuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiTXdFeEhQIn0%3D
I like the Camacho Connecticut robusto that just showed up
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: razgueado on July 28, 2020, 02:01:10 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
No, but if you're that curious, I can give him your email.
I'm good....got my own framed and decorating the bathroom wall.   ;)   ;D
A motivational poster for your bunghole.
And clean as a whistle!
That was FAR more information than I needed or wanted.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 02:12:51 PM
20 Flores y Rodgriguez in various sizes for about $50.  Not bad offering at the Page.

https://www.cigarpage.com/torpedo-mazo-liquidation.html?utm_campaign=CP-K1-20200728Tu2-bonus-FyR-Cabinet-Seleccion-Unicos%20%28TnSLPZ%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJkZ3J5ZmZ1ZGRAZ21haWwuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiTXdFeEhQIn0%3D
I like the Camacho Connecticut robusto that just showed up
Price has really gone up for them around the 'verse.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 02:14:08 PM
Just missed page 8 yesterday.  got to work a little harder...
Sorry.  I had to take my brother to the hospital for an endoscopy yesterday afternoon. Disrupted my schedule.
Did he get some 5 x 7's for you?
No, but if you're that curious, I can give him your email.
I'm good....got my own framed and decorating the bathroom wall.   ;)   ;D
A motivational poster for your bunghole.
And clean as a whistle!
That was FAR more information than I needed or wanted.
Thats what we strive for here, exceed expectations ( for better or worse)
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 02:17:24 PM
Nipple tip Rose of Sharon and some Pinot Grigio for the afternoon.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 02:22:00 PM
Nipple tip Rose of Sharon and some Pinot Grigio for the afternoon.
Better visual than your bathroom art, at least.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: LuvTooGolf on July 28, 2020, 02:22:07 PM
Hazzuh!
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
Nipple tip Rose of Sharon and some Pinot Grigio for the afternoon.
Pinot Grigio? You are full of surprises, aren't you?
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 03:05:25 PM
Hazzuh!
I may have to hazzuh myself very shortly. I'm exhausted. But then I'll have to get back to work sometime later today because there are things due before we start this shit all over again tomorrow.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
Hazzuh!
I may have to hazzuh myself very shortly. I'm exhausted. But then I'll have to get back to work sometime later today because there are things due before we start this shit all over again tomorrow.
Take her easy T and switch shoulders. That purse can get heavy
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 03:59:32 PM
Nipple tip Rose of Sharon and some Pinot Grigio for the afternoon.
Pinot Grigio? You are full of surprises, aren't you?
Why is that?  In this heat, its either Grigio or Noir.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 04:01:04 PM
Followup with a La Palina Black Label.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
Nipple tip Rose of Sharon and some Pinot Grigio for the afternoon.
Pinot Grigio? You are full of surprises, aren't you?
Why is that?  In this heat, its either Grigio or Noir.
I didn't think you were a wine guy. Nothing wrong with it just never saw you drink any.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: FloridaDean on July 28, 2020, 04:37:18 PM
did somebody say nipples?
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 04:42:58 PM
did somebody say nipples?
Your Spidey senses are still top notch.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 06:48:36 PM
So what's going on?
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Oyam18 on July 28, 2020, 07:18:33 PM
The eagle has landed.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 07:48:24 PM
The eagle has landed.
Is that a box of 10 or 20?
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Oyam18 on July 28, 2020, 07:55:01 PM
The eagle has landed.
Is that a box of 10 or 20?
10.....ended up being $54 with tax and shipping. Getting hard to find a good $5 cigar.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Threebean on July 28, 2020, 08:27:33 PM
The eagle has landed.
Is that a box of 10 or 20?
10.....ended up being $54 with tax and shipping. Getting hard to find a good $5 cigar.
You got that right.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Threebean on July 28, 2020, 08:28:54 PM
Lirio Rojo on the front porch.   Not bad with the breeze.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200729/5e369472eb449afbe3426ab88b09e19f.jpg)
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Threebean on July 28, 2020, 08:29:07 PM
The eagle has landed.
Nice.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Oyam18 on July 28, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
Lirio Rojo on the front porch.   Not bad with the breeze.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200729/5e369472eb449afbe3426ab88b09e19f.jpg)
i hear good things ...... you recommend?
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: A Friend of Charlie on July 28, 2020, 08:41:03 PM
The eagle has landed.
Is that a box of 10 or 20?
10.....ended up being $54 with tax and shipping. Getting hard to find a good $5 cigar.
No joke. I hope you'll be happy with them. I know I like them.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 08:52:41 PM
The eagle has landed.
Is that a box of 10 or 20?
10.....ended up being $54 with tax and shipping. Getting hard to find a good $5 cigar.
No joke. I hope you'll be happy with them. I know I like them.
I think last time I bought them Monster had 5 packs for 22.00ish. I can still find good cigars in the 4 dollar range
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: bluecollar on July 28, 2020, 09:04:46 PM
The eagle has landed.
Is that a box of 10 or 20?
10.....ended up being $54 with tax and shipping. Getting hard to find a good $5 cigar.
No joke. I hope you'll be happy with them. I know I like them.
I think last time I bought them Monster had 5 packs for 22.00ish. I can still find good cigars in the 4 dollar range
These are good and nice price point

https://www.cigarsinternational.com/mobile/p/fratello-navetta-cigars/2032147/#p-2032113
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 11:05:36 PM
Nipple tip Rose of Sharon and some Pinot Grigio for the afternoon.
Pinot Grigio? You are full of surprises, aren't you?
Why is that?  In this heat, its either Grigio or Noir.
I didn't think you were a wine guy. Nothing wrong with it just never saw you drink any.
Not much alcohol I don't enjoy. Mostly dry reds in the wine dept.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 11:08:34 PM
Lirio Rojo on the front porch.   Not bad with the breeze.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200729/5e369472eb449afbe3426ab88b09e19f.jpg)
How about that...going with the same before I saw your post.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 11:14:11 PM
Lirio Rojo on the front porch.   Not bad with the breeze.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200729/5e369472eb449afbe3426ab88b09e19f.jpg)
i hear good things ...... you recommend?
i enjoy them a lot. Not a bargain, but worth it IMHO.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 28, 2020, 11:18:02 PM
Giving the other Lars Tetens a try.   Serie D.   No pencil shavings, not offensive, a little sweet, almost infused taste. Pairs fairly well with the vodka and cranberry im having.
Title: Re: 7/28/2020
Post by: Travellin Dave on July 29, 2020, 12:09:28 AM
Good night all.